Emirates in talks with AA

[General Lee]

only time will tell...you don't have a very good track record in this matter. I'm on the inside. Its amazing how you think you know more about Emirates' business plan than the insiders do.

Remember how embarrassed you were when JFK-Milan was announced? Especially the day before it was officially announced, you ranted about how that will NEVER EVER happen. Only defense you had next morning was something about the hot desert and my layover in Dhaka.

Btw, JFK-MXP starts Oct 1st and the flights loads are already well overbooked into December.


Maybe a second daily JFK-MXP is in the pipeline? Now i'm just purely speculating with no inside info!! :smash:

Wow, you're on the INSIDE!!! Thanks Sugar Al Maktoum! So anyways.... You might have a good shot at MXP to JFK (I thought you said maybe buy a portion of AA? They fly MXP to JFK also, right? Look at Flt 199), but who the heck came up with Birmingham to Boston? Just when I think you figured it out, someone over there pulls a route out of their rear and pretty much makes everyone wince and shake their head. So Mr. Insider, go back to the dart board and figure out where else to go. Where was the other mentioned new route? I need a good laugh again. Oh, I did see a new Conakry route 4 days a week on an A343. That really doesn't sound fun. But, I think you should bid it just for the heck of it. Yikes.


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[Green]

LMAO, EK pilots trolling on FI.com. Things must be getting really bad there.

I'm not sure I follow your logic or humor.... I'm from the states, have worked for several us airlines, and i've been on this board for the last 8 years.

Is flightinfo strictly for US based pilots now?

 

[Green]

but who the heck came up with Birmingham to Boston? Just when I think you figured it out, someone over there pulls a route out of their rear and pretty much makes everyone wince and shake their head.
Bye Bye----General Lee

Who is wincing and shaking their head?? You? I can't believe EK forgot to get a consultation from General Lee of FI.com....

I don't' think there is anybody in the business better than Emirates at opening routes and filing aircraft. If they open BHX-BOS then I would bet good money it's going to run at a high load factor. Emirates as a brand has a huge presence in the UK. Birmingham is a lot more convenient than LHR for a lot of US bound Brits, Indians, Pakistanis, etc.

They operate 777's on 40 minute legs. Obviously Emirates is unconventional but the track record speaks for itself. How many years has EK lost money? They seem to be more concerned with hiding profits than making them.

 

[8sugarsugar]

thank you Green. I believe Glee is possibly the stupidest person I have ever dealt with and I don't even know why i spend my time correcting his xenophobia and ignorance.

Get this, I argue with a guy who has never been to Dubai about how Dubai is like.

And for some reason, some Delta guy (Glee) knows more about the meetings I attend about route expansion at EK HQ.

Don't worry Glee, you'll be long retired before Emirates hurts you.

 

[8sugarsugar]

Before General Lee chimes in, just let me fill in the blanks for him

1. "never ever will happen."
2. "delta is better than you"
3. "enjoy your Dhaka layover"
4. "enjoy the Dubai heat"
5. "enjoy the Dubai rapes"
6. "the unions will stop emirates"
7. "Delta skymiles program will stop anyone from flying emirates"
8. "Delta's business class is awesome"
9. "it is unpatriotic that Emirate's buys 100's of Boeing Jets, we shouldn't sell them anything"
10. "Everyone is gay except for me"

repeat

you are welcome General Lee, saved you some time.

And for some reason, this time Glee talked about rapes more than ever. I don't want to know....creepy

Anyway, this round, Glee did manage to mention just about all his predictable responses above. He needs some new material.

Until next time, You'll see me again when some more major news breaks once again proving Glee wrong.

 

[General Lee]

Who is wincing and shaking their head?? You? I can't believe EK forgot to get a consultation from General Lee of FI.com....

I don't' think there is anybody in the business better than Emirates at opening routes and filing aircraft. If they open BHX-BOS then I would bet good money it's going to run at a high load factor. Emirates as a brand has a huge presence in the UK. Birmingham is a lot more convenient than LHR for a lot of US bound Brits, Indians, Pakistanis, etc.

They operate 777's on 40 minute legs. Obviously Emirates is unconventional but the track record speaks for itself. How many years has EK lost money? They seem to be more concerned with hiding profits than making them.

Uhhhhhh, has anyone EVER thought BOS to Birmingham would work? Can you come up with a reason? Why wouldn't BA start that route? Google says Birmingham to London is 118 miles, or 2 hours 40 min by car. Are you sure it is more convenient? Not for people living in London. Only UAL flies from Birmingham to the US. AA tried it to JFK, and it failed. But, that great brand will obviously make it a hit..... We'll see about that, but to BOS? Whaaaaat?

Emirates used to do more 40 min legs, especially between other cities within the region, like Bahrain and Kuwait City. Lately, they cut that way back, adding FlyDubai 737-800s to do many of them. They figured it out, big planes cost a lot to do shorthaul. Both Qatari and Etihad have A320s doing those same type routes.

Maybe they need a consult. You obviously do, and you're welcome.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

And for some reason, this time Glee talked about rapes more than ever. I don't want to know....creepy

Anyway, this round, Glee did manage to mention just about all his predictable responses above. He needs some new material.

Until next time, You'll see me again when some more major news breaks once again proving Glee wrong.

We KNOW you don't want to know about rapes and victims going to prison. You're right, that is creepy. Why did that happen? Can I give you the link to watch? It was on Australia's version of "60 Mins". Maybe you don't like knowing what goes on around you?

And, you just can't prove me wrong, the truth is on my side and I'm smarter than you and fv.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Furloughed80]

I'm not sure I follow your logic or humor.... I'm from the states, have worked for several us airlines, and i've been on this board for the last 8 years.

Is flightinfo strictly for US based pilots now?

Trolling -
informal
submit a deliberately provocative posting to an online message board with the aim of inciting an angry response.


Get it?

 

[Green]

Trolling -
informal
submit a deliberately provocative posting to an online message board with the aim of inciting an angry response.


Get it?

I understand what trolling is. I just don't see how an EK pilot posting about a possible AA tie up is offensive or provocative? This board is designed for airline news, speculation, and rumors.

Qantas has already been helped immensely by the EK agreement. It might be just what AA needs to compete effectively against UAL/DAL. EK would provide AA with service to India, Africa and could fill in your pacific gap by eventually operating Japan, Thailand, and Phil to the USA.

So why are you angry again?

 

[fareview]

GLs obsession with EK, SWA et al. is fascinating.

I mean there is nobody on FI who preaches to DAL pilots how their life is...yet he incessantly tells us how ours is.

You going to tell 777 Captains how our life is next....you don't know, nor will you ever (or should you with your behavior)

fv
ps Sorry gents, I little cranky this time of year as I start paying a little bit of tax around now for the first time.

 

[General Lee]

I understand what trolling is. I just don't see how an EK pilot posting about a possible AA tie up is offensive or provocative? This board is designed for airline news, speculation, and rumors.

Qantas has already been helped immensely by the EK agreement. It might be just what AA needs to compete effectively against UAL/DAL. EK would provide AA with service to India, Africa and could fill in your pacific gap by eventually operating Japan, Thailand, and Phil to the USA.

So why are you angry again?

Wow, you assume a lot. Why would the Japanese, Thai, and Philippine Govts allow unrestricted access or open sky's to EK when it could hurt their own national airlines? And again, AA uses BA for connections to Africa. Going all the way to DXB and then back tracking to Africa takes longer. If someone wants to go to somewhere way out there, like to Conakry, then maybe. But to big cities like Nairobi or Joberg, not a chance.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Green]

Uhhhhhh, has anyone EVER thought BOS to Birmingham would work? Can you come up with a reason? Why wouldn't BA start that route? Google says Birmingham to London is 118 miles, or 2 hours 40 min by car. Are you sure it is more convenient? Not for people living in London. Only UAL flies from Birmingham to the US. AA tried it to JFK, and it failed. But, that great brand will obviously make it a hit..... We'll see about that, but to BOS? Whaaaaat?

Emirates used to do more 40 min legs, especially between other cities within the region, like Bahrain and Kuwait City. Lately, they cut that way back, adding FlyDubai 737-800s to do many of them. They figured it out, big planes cost a lot to do shorthaul. Both Qatari and Etihad have A320s doing those same type routes.

Maybe they need a consult. You obviously do, and you're welcome.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Apparently nobody has thought of it until now.

I certainly don't claim to know everything and I might have been wrong once or twice but this is what I think the EK commercial department has been looking at.

The Boston area has one of the largest Indian populations in the US. A quick online search shows that about 20% of Birmingham's population identifies as Asian descent (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, or 'other') and according to Wikipedia Boston has the tenth largest Indian population in the US. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Emirates flies more indians and those of Indian descent than any other carrier. The brand has huge value in india and the UK. So I bet if they open the route it will fill up quickly. Sort of a "build it and they will come."

I just checked EK timetables. Six flights per day to Doha, five to Kuwait, and three to Bah. I think the fall off in Bahrain is largely due to that city becoming a conflict zone. Traffic inevitably falls off. I'm not sure if that constitutes a major pullback. I can't remember what Kuwait used to have but 5 wide bodies per day is high frequency. EK is struggling from a lack of planes. Often they shift planes and reduce frequency to free up aircraft for new routes.

Do you ever get tired of running your mouth on things you don't really understand? I would love to watch you have a sit down with an EK executive and listen to you explain how they are doing it all wrong.

 

[Flyer1015]

Huh? You fly for a "loco"--- a "Low Cost" airline. That is the term everyone uses on PPRUNE and in Europe (you don't go there).

I see. I do go to Europe, but on my own accord and to whichever cities I please. My last time around was a Frankfurt/Zurich/Paris trip.

Anyway, your friends in the Sandpit may love it there, but that place does not have the protections that our Constitution has, and in most countries rape victims don't go to jail for adultery. Sorry, but hearing that made me sick. Hope nothing ever goes wrong for your friends, but that whole area "ain't fair." Nope. No thanks. You go out there and enjoy Pakistan turns at night

Our constitution is being violated by the corrupt politicians as is. Stop and frisk = direct violation of the 4th amendment. The NSA spying on just about everything we do, phone calls, internet, you name it. Keeping illegal recordings and records without warrants! Most of our freedoms have been farmed out since 9/11 under the guise of safety in the so called Patriot Act. I just call it the consitution shredder. Two kid run amok in Boston with homemade bombs, and the entire city goes under a lockdown. The city of Watertown had the 4th amendment trampeled as police drew out families from their homes without warrants, house by house in 2 neighborhoods. I'm far more worried about our constitutional rights being violated and shredded here at home than some "moral" based law in Dubai.

it may be your only chance to ever fly a widebody. Good luck!

Why do you assume everyone wants to fly a widebody? I really don't care. In fact, with an infant anything more than 3 days is too much for me. Currently I do 2 day trips and therefore get to see my infant every day. A 14 day 747 trip out of DTW to NRT and beyond? No thanks. I want to see my child grow especially in this critical stage. These days I do one trans con leg to a layover, and then one leg back the next day and days off. Sometimes 2 legs if it goes through LAX, but the concept is the same.

 

[Green]

Wow, you assume a lot. Why would the Japanese, Thai, and Philippine Govts allow unrestricted access or open sky's to EK when it could hurt their own national airlines? And again, AA uses BA for connections to Africa. Going all the way to DXB and then back tracking to Africa takes longer. If someone wants to go to somewhere way out there, like to Conakry, then maybe. But to big cities like Nairobi or Joberg, not a chance.


Bye Bye---General Lee

“The open skies arrangement that the U.A.E. has with the U.S. allows us to take passengers on a fifth-freedom basis from the west coast and central points in the U.S. to points in Asia,” he said. “On the other side of the equation we have open skies with Singapore, Thailand and certain points in Japan.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...premacy-with-a380s-flying-asia-us-routes.html

I think you worked hard to get yourself to Delta and things didn't turned out as you planned. Instead of the glorious career you were expecting you ended up with more than 10 years of stagnation, struggle, and bankruptcy wages. Now Delta is finally pulling itself out of the rut and you find yourself past your prime without the golden pension and flying around a cattle car. You're not as rich or happy as you should have been given your employment with Delta.

It sucks and it's not fair. I agree. Total BS what's happened to the profession in the US.

Then you see a SWA CA making 300k+/year or a 35 year old Emirates 777CA heading to Mauritius for a layover with 17 international cabin crew in their 20's and it drives you crazy. That should have been you since you work for Delta dammit. So you have to go on and on about lubbock (sp?) layovers or how bad dubai is to make yourself feel better.

But as you said in another thread at least you get to enjoy your sundae as you fly across the Atlantic. Does granny put nuts on top for you and tell you about the Convair days? I'm sure everyone is burning with envy.

 

[Furloughed80]

Green,

Seriously, read the first two posts. You don't think they were written specifically to 'push buttons'. Maybe aimed at a specific user? How do you think AA pilots would feel if a significant portion of their widebody flying was 'operated by Emirates'. I honestly think this is wild speculation. The legacies are very profitable right now. I think many 'yanks' are hitting the 7-8 year mark at EK and would like to leave the sandpit. However, they don't want to start from scratch at a legacy. So instead, they dream of US domiciles at EK or EK taking over a portion of a US legacy's widebody international flying. It is wishful thinking...