Emirates could order up to 275 777-X aircraft for replacement & expansion! Article

[sniper]

How much money were the U.S. majors given by the U.S. government after 9-11?

How many times have major U.S. carriers used bankruptcy to shed their debt? Debt brought on by poor management.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.



TP

Airlines went on ch11 to cut wages and benefits...remember 350 dollars per hr on delta,united and your old company usair had the plus 1 percent etc......they did that to be comperetive to your low pay at emirates....

but today a 777 check airman like yourself or TRI at Delta does over 300k with the override gross minus 30 percent taxes average after write offs and thats 21k per month,,,,,,,,

management had a plan and they use the bk highway with 5 billion in cash to reduce pilot pay to your level....also the rest of ground employees are not getting 500 per month like the pakistanis and indians loading your planes, with average ticket taxed 22 percent sales taxes plus fee and more fees we have an average of 45 percent going away from a purchased tickets.......

gulf airlines are pocketing almost 85 percent of a ticket price,,,,


The truth is the truth but I understand you went from laid off DC 9 FO to 777

and last here it is::::

30 percent of the world aviation market is here in the good old USA ,,,,

we dont want any of the gulf subsidized airlines here... and will fight to keep you away.

Many many times on the table management brings up that we need to be around your pay in order to compete with the Gulf Airlines..ask your friends from USAPA or soon to be APA they will tell you...

So find another place to fly...

 

[typhoonpilot]

Hmmm. low pay. That's a good one. I make far more here than I ever would at a U.S. major. Year 1 F.O.s here start very close to $100K. The total after tax package is worth far more than that even. Any U.S. majors pay that much?


TP

 

[sniper]

Hmmm. low pay. That's a good one. I make far more here than I ever would at a U.S. major. Year 1 F.O.s here start very close to $100K. The total after tax package is worth far more than that even. Any U.S. majors pay that much?


TP

you make 22k every month in your pocket plus 15 percent b plan plus 19000 dollars profit sharing check for 2012?


really?

...........

6700 per month plus housing .thats what your company pays,,,,,i know 5 year fos there that make 94000 in their pocket every year... you are right tax free... dont count the housing . i accept that but you live in dubai not US....

777 first officer pay is what? at united or delta , i know it takes 3 years to be on that aircraft but look at the hourly rate....

and yes you dont make more than a777 check airman at delta...



check again

 

[typhoonpilot]

Three years to be an F.O. on the B777 at UAL. Try 15 or more. DAL, probably similar.

You're basically barking up the wrong tree anyway. Pilot compensation is such a small part of the total cost structure for an airline that it really doesn't matter.

Emirates makes their money by operating aircraft efficiently. Their aircraft utilization is second to none. They also know how to fill aircraft up with payload ( freight and passenger ). Their commercial department is also second to none.

You are suffering from the same idiotic thinking as U.S. airline managers. You are focusing on costs, not on revenue. Airlines make profit by having a good revenue stream and finding ways to get more revenue. Yes, keeping costs in check is important, but it is not the most important component. Revenue is the most important.

U.S. carriers destroyed so much revenue opportunity when they implemented RJ flying in place of narrow body flying that they cut their nose off to spite their face. USAir started flying a CRJ to Myrtle Beach instead of a 737. All the passenger's golf bags wouldn't fit on the CRJ so they had to send them to Wilmington on a real airplane and then pay $50/bag to have them sent to the passengers in Myrtle Beach.

USAir lost a lucrative cargo contract out of Binghamton, NY when they replaced the DC-9 with RJs.

That idiotic "cost cutting" destroyed entire revenue streams.

It's so easy to point fingers at someone else and say, " they are the source of all our woes " Hitler did it in the 1930s. Lest we forget the stupidity of that kind of thinking.

Yet, it persists. Now it is the ALPA members pointing fingers at the competition and saying, " they are the source of all our woes ". What follows after that?


TP

 

[sniper]

Three years to be an F.O. on the B777 at UAL. Try 15 or more. DAL, probably similar.

You're basically barking up the wrong tree anyway. Pilot compensation is such a small part of the total cost structure for an airline that it really doesn't matter.

Emirates makes their money by operating aircraft efficiently. Their aircraft utilization is second to none. They also know how to fill aircraft up with payload ( freight and passenger ). Their commercial department is also second to none.

You are suffering from the same idiotic thinking as U.S. airline managers. You are focusing on costs, not on revenue. Airlines make profit by having a good revenue stream and finding ways to get more revenue. Yes, keeping costs in check is important, but it is not the most important component. Revenue is the most important.

U.S. carriers destroyed so much revenue opportunity when they implemented RJ flying in place of narrow body flying that they cut their nose off to spite their face. USAir started flying a CRJ to Myrtle Beach instead of a 737. All the passenger's golf bags wouldn't fit on the CRJ so they had to send them to Wilmington on a real airplane and then pay $50/bag to have them sent to the passengers in Myrtle Beach.

USAir lost a lucrative cargo contract out of Binghamton, NY when they replaced the DC-9 with RJs.

That idiotic "cost cutting" destroyed entire revenue streams.

It's so easy to point fingers at someone else and say, " they are the source of all our woes " Hitler did it in the 1930s. Lest we forget the stupidity of that kind of thinking.

Yet, it persists. Now it is the ALPA members pointing fingers at the competition and saying, " they are the source of all our woes ". What follows after that?


TP

What follows next?


Restrictions on the three gulf airlines from having more flights to US..

 

[flyboyike]

What follows next?


Restrictions on the three gulf airlines from having more flights to US..

There were once supposed to be all manner of restrictions on Honda and Toyota, too.

 

[fareview]

What follows next?


Restrictions on the three gulf airlines from having more flights to US..

At which pint the pending order for 200 B777X's will no longer be viable.

The resulting impact on US jobs significant ... It's not all about ALPA pilots (or an Air Arabia pilot who flunked the EK interview)

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

fv

 

[Varmint]

What follows next?


Restrictions on the three gulf airlines from having more flights to US..

Does that include the new Saudi Arabian restrictions?

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2013/05/209995.htm

 

[777forever]

Three years to be an F.O. on the B777 at UAL. Try 15 or more. DAL, probably similar.

You're basically barking up the wrong tree anyway. Pilot compensation is such a small part of the total cost structure for an airline that it really doesn't matter.

Emirates makes their money by operating aircraft efficiently. Their aircraft utilization is second to none. They also know how to fill aircraft up with payload ( freight and passenger ). Their commercial department is also second to none.

You are suffering from the same idiotic thinking as U.S. airline managers. You are focusing on costs, not on revenue. Airlines make profit by having a good revenue stream and finding ways to get more revenue. Yes, keeping costs in check is important, but it is not the most important component. Revenue is the most important.

U.S. carriers destroyed so much revenue opportunity when they implemented RJ flying in place of narrow body flying that they cut their nose off to spite their face. USAir started flying a CRJ to Myrtle Beach instead of a 737. All the passenger's golf bags wouldn't fit on the CRJ so they had to send them to Wilmington on a real airplane and then pay $50/bag to have them sent to the passengers in Myrtle Beach.

USAir lost a lucrative cargo contract out of Binghamton, NY when they replaced the DC-9 with RJs.

That idiotic "cost cutting" destroyed entire revenue streams.

It's so easy to point fingers at someone else and say, " they are the source of all our woes " Hitler did it in the 1930s. Lest we forget the stupidity of that kind of thinking.

Yet, it persists. Now it is the ALPA members pointing fingers at the competition and saying, " they are the source of all our woes ". What follows after that?


TP

The success of Emirates has to do with melting pot of factors, mainly location, very low labor costs, and a government that is very supportive of aviation.

The location of Dubai allows Emirates to connect passengers to any destination in the world with just one stop in Dubai.

Dubai's government is very supportive of aviation charges little to no landing fees in Dubai, and very little taxes overall, whereas the US government's endless and ever increasing taxes and policies for the airlines makes you think it's a sin for the airlines to earn a profit.

Emirates has one of the most efficient labor forces in the world. Emirates is a low cost carrier under the facade of a luxury carrier. Flight crews are worked to the max all day everyday. They are paid less than their counterparts at legacy carriers around the world but since it's tax free, Emirates pay ends up being about equal pay. However, Emirates pilots are flying 90+ hours a month on 777 with 13-15 days off, while Delta Pilots on the 777 do 3 ULRs and call it a day.

Emirates is an incredible airline that has seen amazing growth that allowed pilots in their late 20s and early 30s to upgrade to Captain. But this amazing achievement by Emirates has everything to do with them focusing on cost, which you just chastised US Airline managers about.

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[Varmint]

The success of Emirates has to do with melting pot of factors, mainly location and a government that is very supportive of aviation.

The location of Dubai allows Emirates to connect passengers to any destination in the world with just one stop in Dubai.

Dubai's government is very supportive of aviation charges little to no landing fees in Dubai, and very little taxes overall, whereas the US government's endless and ever increasing taxes and policies for the airlines makes you think it's a sin for the airlines to earn a profit.

Emirates has one of the most efficient labor forces in the world. Emirates is a low cost carrier under the facade of a luxury carrier. Flight crews are worked to the max all day everyday. They are paid less than their counterparts at legacy carriers around the world but since it's tax free, Emirates pay ends up being about equal pay. However, Emirates pilots are flying 90+ hours a month on 777 with 13-15 days off, while Delta Pilots on the 777 do 3 ULRs and call it a day.

Emirates is an incredible airline that has seen amazing growth that allowed pilots in their late 20s and early 30s to upgrade to Captain. But this amazing achievement by Emirates has everything to do with them focusing on cost, which you just chastised US Airline managers about.

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The difference is that US carriers decided to cost cut on things that passengers notice.

Emirates maintains a very high level of safety and only cost cuts on passenger-transparent items.

That is probably what typhoonpilot was alluding to.