Electronic Plates on Ipad or Kindle

[wolfpackpilot]

Anyone have really good (actually real world) info on using the NAS plates on a Kindle or Ipad?

How easy is it?

How much is it?

Etc... Etc...

 

[semperfido]

Go over to *************** and there is plenty there

 

[sqwkvfr]

You can download and save NAS IAPs, STARS, DPs, even A/FDs for free from naco.faa.gov

I've never used an iPad, but I imagine that it uses Adobe like most PCs. You can save whatever procedures you need to a file and open them when required without the need for an internet connection.

Works pretty slick.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Not much complex about an iPad.

You can store and read any PDF or DOC file in an app like GoodReader, so if you can find NAS plates in that form you just create a file and store them. Obviously, the Jepp app is the way to go as it updates etc and will likely get improvements here soon for display, format etc.

For $500-800 its a no-brainer replacement for those cumbersome EFBs of yesteryear.

I'm sure somebody has already labeled themselves the "Ipad EFB Specialist" but really its a very simple device, even my 3 yr old navigates it as well as the 60-something year olds I fly with.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Not much complex about an iPad.

A friend of mine let me play with his IPad the other day. It was slick. Very nice, easy to use, and loaded saved pdf data in a nano second.

I'm thinking of getting one for my own sanity...

Wolf

 

[BoilerUP]

There are a half-dozen or more apps with NACO plates; many people seem to prefer Foreflight.

The Jepp TC app is a very slick chart reader, but reportedly early 2011 will bring an update with enroute charts and georeferenced position.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I got to use an I-Pad with the Jepp app on a contract gig this weekend. Holy cow was it AWESOME. SO easy to use. I am now resolved to buy an I-pad and I'm hoping that my contract client will be able to add me to their Jepp subscription for update downloads. I fully intend to use it when I'm flying the classic V.

Too bad my company blew a $hitload of money on a crap EFB that has probably soured them on the experience. Someday soon the I-pad will have a TSO for cockpit use (since it isn't installed equipment it doesn't need the more expensive STC). Maybe the company will be willing to pick up the Jeppeson subscription tab for those that buy the I-pad (yeah, right).

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Too bad my company blew a $hitload of money on a crap EFB that has probably soured them on the experience.

:laugh: The guy who sold us those things is still laughing... I bet you all 300 units are in a closet down in SAV somewhere, with a sign on the door, "KEEP OUT"

 

[surveypilot]

I use http://www.pdfplates.com/ for free downloads of NACO charts. They allow you to download indivudual charts, packaged by approach chart book, or state. You can also created custom trip files. I download all of the states that I frequent for my Samsung Captivate to use for backup plates.

 

[PilotKitch]

Can you dim the iPad for night flying?

 

[Bleeds On]

Can you dim the iPad for night flying?

Yes, and you can also set it to white on black by triple-clicking the home button. I like it real dark up front and this setting works well for me. Give Foreflight a try. You'll be amazed. It seems each month they add new features.

 

[Got2Fly]

if your airline subscribes to Jeppesen, there is a way to log in and download all charts that they subscribe to. I can download the entire airport in one PDF, or each separately. Works great with goodreader on the ipad.

 

[fisherpilot]

Do the iPad's come with a solid state drive yet? We are looking at adding a couple more EFB's but don't want to fork out 4k for more efb's like we currently use. I know our Director doesn't want to get anything that isn't approved for pressurization issues. BTW, we use jeppview

 

[semperfido]

Do the iPad's come with a solid state drive yet? We are looking at adding a couple more EFB's but don't want to fork out 4k for more efb's like we currently use. I know our Director doesn't want to get anything that isn't approved for pressurization issues. BTW, we use jeppview

Yes, no moving parts. P91 0r P135? In my mind the pressurization issue is a non- issue for P91. iPad is the only way to go.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Do the iPad's come with a solid state drive yet? We are looking at adding a couple more EFB's but don't want to fork out 4k for more efb's like we currently use. I know our Director doesn't want to get anything that isn't approved for pressurization issues. BTW, we use jeppview

<---MF

They dont technically have SSDs....but NAND (NOT AND) flash memory. Either way theres no hard drive spinning.

JeppvievTC app for the iPad works fine. Its a good, simple chart viewer.

Hopefully Jepp wont totally D*CK it up like the have done to Jeppview and its wonderful useless features for Piper Saratoga pilots.

Just get em...really a no-brainer for an EFB these days, eliminates lots of paper in the plane (company manuals etc)....and its a great laptop substitute on the road (netflix, email etc) with great battery life.

Others have posted that they have gotten them 135 approved. Guess it depends on your local useless FAA folk.

 

[fisherpilot]

Hope I'm not hijacking this thread, but thanks for the replies. We are a 91 operator and use the fujistsu efb's and use jeppview flight deck. We also use nexrad radar on them. We are wanting to add a couple more and wanted to do some research on the iPad. So they can do jeppessen plates, Do you update them the same as you would the efb (cd-rom through jeppview)?

What about intl charts? Is it the same as with Jeppview?

How about using a bluetooth gps and xm radar?

Thanks again for the responses!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Hope I'm not hijacking this thread, but thanks for the replies. We are a 91 operator and use the fujistsu efb's and use jeppview flight deck. We also use nexrad radar on them. We are wanting to add a couple more and wanted to do some research on the iPad. So they can do jeppessen plates, Do you update them the same as you would the efb (cd-rom through jeppview)?

What about intl charts? Is it the same as with Jeppview?

How about using a bluetooth gps and xm radar?

Thanks again for the responses!

No USB port on iPads. Updates are done via wifi. We have worldwide subscription and it takes about 5(?) mins.

The iPad has bluetooth. No idea on gps usage that way...luckily our planes actually have GPS..

 

[fisherpilot]

The GPS would work with the bluetooth capability of the iPad but as far as getting nexrad I don't know. Our EFB's use a usb cord for the nexrad. There might be another way to get it I just don't know. If anyone knows please chime in.

Thanks

 

[GravityHater]

Any Kindle answers?

 

[Nolife]

I use both Kindle DX and iPad for charts. iPad is the main with kindle as back-up. Foreflight has terminal, SID, STARS, and enroutes (highs and lows), and VFR sectionals all for $75 a year. Kindle has terminals, SIDs, and STARS. I use pdfplates.com for the Kindle (check out their download client function). Supposedly you can get nav charts from faa.gov in PDF format for the Kindle however the iPad does so much more I'll just use the Kindle as a back-up.

I do contract 91 work so in the eyes of the Feds I'm good to go with both systems. As far as 135, our POI is willing to approve our EFB set-up as long as we comply with the six months paper back-up. IMO... iPad is the way to go especially if you have an eJepp subscription which we do. You can get e-trip kits for airports not covered by FAA. So far the EFBs have saved my over $1000 in paper charts.

I even use the scratch pad feature on foreflight for clearances and such so I truely am paperless.

 

[bogi0912]

Do you still have to carry paper charts as a back up with the EFBs/IPads? I've heard that you still have to at least print out all of the destination and alternate plates.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Do you still have to carry paper charts as a back up with the EFBs/IPads? I've heard that you still have to at least print out all of the destination and alternate plates.

The i-pad is not a Class II EFB so yes, you would need paper on board. With an actual purpose-built EFB, it depends on what class it is certified in. Part 135 and 91K operators also need a sign-off from their FSDO to go completely paperless. Not sure if a straight 91 operation would need that as well. I'm sure there is an Advisory Circular somewhere that covers the hoops to be jumped through but I'm too lazy to go find it. And my company failed in its EFB effort so it's hard to care.

 

[BoilerUP]

Neither 91 subpart F or AC91-78 requires paper backup charts OR FSDO EFB approval for Part 91 operations...but IMO it wouldn't be prudent to operate paperless with just a single source of electronic charts.

6. REMOVAL OF PAPER FROM THE COCKPIT FOR OPERATIONS UNDER PART 91.

a. EFBs/ECDs can be used during all phases of flight operations in lieu of paper reference material when the information displayed meets the following criteria:

(1) The components or systems onboard the aircraft which display precomposed or interactive information are the functional equivalent of the paper reference material.

(2) The interactive or precomposed information being used for navigation or performance planning is current, up-to-date, and valid.

NOTE: Supporting reference material such as legends, glossaries, abbreviations, and other information is available to the pilot but is not required in the cockpit during operation.

b. The in-flight use of an EFB/ECD in lieu of paper reference material is the decision of the aircraft operator and the pilot in command. Any Type A or Type B EFB application, as defined in AC 120-76A may be substituted for the paper equivalent. It requires no formal operational approval as long as the guidelines of this AC are followed.

c. It is suggested that a secondary or back up source of aeronautical information necessary for the flight be available to the pilot in the aircraft. The secondary or backup information may be either traditional paper-based material or displayed electronically.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Nicely done Boiler. Confirmed my suspicion the straight 91 doesn't need anything official but I agree on the paper backup.

 

[BoilerUP]

Nicely done Boiler. Confirmed my suspicion the straight 91 doesn't need anything official but I agree on the paper backup.

We operate our airplane "paperless" with a single ProLine21 IFIS file server & iPad backup, though we do carry Jepp paper enroute charts.

 

[gutshotdraw]

We're "paperless" in the Gulfstream 50 series too (Planeview is worth it just for that feature) but we carry paper en route charts also. I want the i-pad with Jeppesons for the tours when I'm stuck in the classic V.

 

[Nolife]

iPad meets the criteria of class II (or class I, I forget) if you read the AC. If you have e-charts in the airplane and an iPad your good 91. Its a good idea to carry a back-up e-source for charts or just print what you need but it isn't necessary.

 

[semperfido]

We operate our airplane "paperless" with a single ProLine21 IFIS file server & iPad backup, though we do carry Jepp paper enroute charts.

It's nice in the 550 too- got QRH, Flight Man, Various trip info & FPs on it, newspapers, magazines round it out.

 

[bogi0912]

Thank you Gentlemen!

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I want the i-pad with Jeppesons for the tours when I'm stuck in the classic V.

Oh you poor poor b*stard! The thought of flying a G-V just makes me ashamed of my profession...

Bwahaa, you could always come back to the "where are the HF radios" G-IV.

Just busting your chops bro.

:laugh:
Wolf