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An Observation

Howdy Folks:

This debate (civilian v. military) always seems to rear its ugly head in times of intense competition for jobs in aviation. I've heard it many times before. I also know that the arguments of both sides have merit.

I did not fly in the military, although I would have if I could have. As a result, I had to pay the $30,000 for the flight ratings I acquired, not to mention all of my tuition for college and graduate school. I'm not complaining, but keep this in mind.

No, I have never landed a fast airplane on a carrier (except in the sim!). But I have flown jet aircraft all over the world, and this includes China, Japan, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Iceland, Canada, Mexico, Dominican Republic, etc. so many countries I can't name them all, where my crew was on its own at airports far, far away trying to get weather, clearances, service, etc.

Can't say I have ever been on active duty. But I can remember, as an airline Captain, flying with a number of recently separated military pilots who simply could not handle themselves in heavy instrument conditions. I remember one gentleman particularly. He spent an entire three day trip trying to convince me that because of his superior training in the military, the requirements for upgrade at our company (which he did not meet) should be waived. At the end of this grueling trip, in instrument weather and a non-radar environment, we had a navigation radio failure. His comment to me when this happened (I was flying) was "I don't know where we are- I can't help you," effectively making me single pilot. I feel compelled to add that this pilot busted his upgrade when it came around.

I regret that happened. This guy wasn't very professional. I'm guessing most military pilots are. Keep in mind, however, that as long as people like my former first officer exist, this debate will continue. Military pilots, some of your peers do not reflect well on the rest ofyou!

Having said that, I am a civilian trained helicopter pilot. All of my instructors were Army and/or Guard guys. Superb aviators, and wonderful teachers. Great to have a beer with, too! Proving once again there are good pilots and people, and bad pilots and people, and its a crapshoot as to where they received their training and experience.

Good luck to everyone- hopefully we'll all be employed in jobs of our choice soon.
 
All I got to say is this:

We should all meet up at some bar, drink, fight, and be merry!
I don't care if you're mil or civ or whatever - you've gotta drink!

How about Ocean Deck in Daytona Beach?

beytzim
 
hey

Hey Eli,
How is it going, give me a buz when you can, I might be going somewhere else, I got an offer for a better job, but give me a call.

Pete
 
Hey TR is that you?

How's it been going?
 
why not

I just feel like I have to make a few quick points. Although I know I am pissin in the wind with some of you civilian guys. why don't you try re reading my response to lrjet55 and you will see:

1. None of this was aboout miliatray guys being better than civilians. Although I find it humorous that you took it there. But I will leave those feelings of defensiveness and inferiority to you and your shrink. If you can get past those feelings and remember what was written, which was: Me correcting some crack pot commenting on what life was like in the military, which he knew nothing about.

2. Nothing is or was being thrown in your face. Again I was correcting someone who likes to run his suck about things in which he has no experience " flying is flying" I was not saying I am bettert han you because of the flying I have done in the military but it is very very different types of flying. Having done both I believe I am in a much better position than lrjet55 to comment about those differences.

I am very proud of my service in the military, if that bothers you or you feel threatened by it too bad thats your problem not mine. I don't think I am better than you. But when you talk of things of which you know little and put us down, stand the
F%$# by jounior. I agree with DAL737FO there are good pilots and bad pilots whatever your backround.

well I am unloading for knots and out of this one,

AMF wankers
 
re-read the first post

The first post was about getting the letter from NETJETs. RIght ?
Stick to the subject, please.

To querel go to the AVcanada forum
:cool:
 
:D

Gentlemen:

THANK YOU for the most laughs I have had all day!!!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
gump
 
Re: Check up

Lrjet55 said:
This isn't the military anymore. People aren't waiting around to kiss your butt. If you want a job in the real world you need to let them know. Call and check on the status of the app. you sent in. Do you realize how many people apply to EJA? You obviously meet the mins.

lrjet55 where in the h*ll did you see anything in this message regarding ass kissing in the military? I can't see it at all. What I see is a man trying to get a job and in the holding pattern and wondering what the hell is going on. I've been at EJA for over 2 years now and have flown with all types of pilots from military to civilian. I can honestly say that I don't have a problem from either groups. Except of course the occasional pinheads like your self that give civilian pilots a bad rep. If you are a new pilot here I suggest you lighten up your gonna be meeting all types. That is the beauty of this pilot group. It doesn't really matter where you come from as long as your cool and have a sense of humor and a good stick thats all that matters. We have the job that a lot of people want right now, it does not give us the right to throw it in anyones faces. So now you represent EJA pilot group, I for one don't want strangers looking at me as if I'm a D**KHEAD for something you've said. I've been a civi pilot for my career and I have learned that you always help the guys on the bottom or in need. It doesn't matter if they are from military or civilian.

Oh by the way if you don't lighten up and you act like a jerk, the training department can smell that out and the ax will fall. I'll see you in the 800xp seeing that I'm a captain in it.
 
My Mistake

My mistake fellas. I still hold that I am entitled to my opinion whether I am perfectly right or incompetetly wrong. My first post was not meant to offend and the rest got out of hand. I have had a few bad experiences with the wrong people and I am judging all of you. So I say it, I was wrong.

Lrjet55
 
There, he said it. Now let's get on with our lives!!! If anyone else makes another comment - I'll, I'll....well, you know.



Discussion Over.

Fights Off.

beytzim
 
I'll settle this whole darn argument over CIV vs. MIL right now:
I was an enlisted Marine 8 yrs and am civilian pilot for 16 yrs now. Nobody is as cool as me. Everyone else sucks. I'm the best. I win and everyone loses. I rule you drool. Hooray for me.
Come on guys, lighten up!
 
Before all the fun started....

I had wanted to comment (and I am sure it is dumb....) about not just being a piece of paper, or a fax or an email.
Any of you on the paper shifting end of it please join the row, but as a girl, I had this idea of jazzing up the res.
Is it so totally UN COOL to stick a pic, a bit of color or a...dare I say...AD in the paperwork?
I talked to a non airline HR hotshot and she said a photo of the candidate, although not technically a good thing, tells age, health and can influence both favorably or not her choice.
SHE was not allowed to ask if they were 18 year old tubs of lard or 59 and not worth the time. She also said family shots with kids brought an "Oh no, trips to Disneyland and summer time off"
I tried to talk my job seeking mate into a clean line drawing of the plane he was applying for on the top and he just did the DRAGNET thing:
Just the facts ma'am!
Your input?
(PS, all pilots seem to have egos, it is not civ or mil... just the altitude I bet!)
 
I have interviewed potential employees in the past. You don't want to put the HR person or another interviewer in a bad position, brushing illegality. They are not stupid and know that you are trying to manipulate their decision in a bad way.
Be careful!
 
got your point...

Discression is the better part of valor.... I alway liked that saying! Seems like I can use it here.
BUT any other ideas how to pop out as a person, before you get to harassing by phone? There must be a way to open an eyeball so you get looked at without always seeming lost in the shuffle.
In this economy, the NORM has been not even a "thanks a lot for sending" just dead air.
Email seems like a total lost of bandwidth and at least snail mail can go with a reciept requested.
Network network network!
 
Are you all for real?
It's hard to believe that there are professionals out there engaging in this kind of rhetoric!
How discouraging!
 

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