eeek...just heard GoJets is getting 6 more 700s with Delta.

[ASADriver]

The vendors flying outsourced airplanes are sad excuses for "airlines"; in fact, they are not airlines but just vendors.

They should not have existed in the first place. They are unnecessary and inferior.

I hope they all close up shop tomorrow.

I say that as an employee of that section of the industry.

It's not supposed to be like this; all outsourcing must go.

Why don't you quit then?

 

[Freebrd]

The vendors flying outsourced airplanes are sad excuses for "airlines"; in fact, they are not airlines but just vendors.

They should not have existed in the first place. They are unnecessary and inferior.

I hope they all close up shop tomorrow.

I say that as an employee of that section of the industry.

It's not supposed to be like this; all outsourcing must go.

get a frigging clue willya, whats a matter Daddy couldn't pay to get you on at a major, get out now and quit

 

[79%N1]

The vendors flying outsourced airplanes are sad excuses for "airlines"; in fact, they are not airlines but just vendors.

They should not have existed in the first place. They are unnecessary and inferior.

I hope they all close up shop tomorrow.

I say that as an employee of that section of the industry.

It's not supposed to be like this; all outsourcing must go.

Go fu(k yourself co(ksucker!

Maybe I can lose my home and make my family move to a trailer court and eat beans and hot dogs everyday because you think my company should close up. Fu(k off a$$hole!

 

[amcnd]

Here we go again....... I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO LOSE JOBS. I would rather them be hired at a mainline carrier. I want fewer RJs flying out there, and more mainline jobs. RJs have proven to NOT be economical during periods with high fuel prices. You just can't fight that argument. I don't think RJs will ever totally leave the DCI fleet, but there are too many loss making 50 seaters out there. I haven't seen the TA for our group yet, but hope it promotes mainline growth. And stop with the flesh eating bacteria stuff. Way overboard.


Bye Bye---General Lee

They may not make money on there "own" but they bring you that pax for your international flight... Oh wait i meen KLM/Air France flights.... Thats the scope you need to start bitching on here about...realy you make some giod points, but.. Take the RJ's away and all Delta would be is another Jet Blue in a few years when they "code share" out all the long haul stuff.

 

[DYLIN]

Go fu(k yourself co(ksucker!

Maybe I can lose my home and make my family move to a trailer court and eat beans and hot dogs everyday because you think my company should close up. Fu(k off a$$hole!

Like General Lee, I'm not saying I want it to happen overnight. I'm not wishing myself or you or your co-workers out of a job.

When I say I hope they close up shop tomorrow, I say that knowing it's a hypothetical unrealistic scenario. I'd be wishing that all of the vendor employees, tomorrow, got a job at mainline that paid better and had better benefits.

I work at an outsourced airline myself!

I'm saying I'd like it to transition to zero while mainline takes that flying, gradually, over years.

That is what needs to happen.

ASADriver -- I don't want to hear "why don't you quit." I'm on a few committees and trying to make things better, that's all any individual can do. I like my job, but the arrangement this section of the industry is in will eventually fail.

 

[79%N1]

So, every FO with 2000 hrs total time and zero PIC and limited experience does what with the rest of their career? Close up shop tomorrow, and these guys careers are over. Some may get on at a Major, maybe some at Allegiant or Jetblue? But the rest are done....thanks for thinking of them. The guys with PIC that cant get a spot, well, they just need to quick find a new profession to feed their kids. But hey, you already got what you needed from a 'subcontractor', and now it's ok with you that they "close up shop." Just like Genital Pee, you are a scum bag.

Full disclosure. I think there should be more jobs at main line on big jets. I don't advocate wishing a company close up shop, because I got mine.

 

[General Lee]

They may not make money on there "own" but they bring you that pax for your international flight... Oh wait i meen KLM/Air France flights.... Thats the scope you need to start bitching on here about...realy you make some giod points, but.. Take the RJ's away and all Delta would be is another Jet Blue in a few years when they "code share" out all the long haul stuff.

If the TA doesn't have better INTL scope protection and RJ Scope protection (and overall reduction), I think it will be voted down. Also, you do know that there are currently limits to that INTL scope, and provisions making sure Delta has a certain percentage of the flights. I just want that percentage to go up, and I think most agree with me. Also, the RJ feeders are feeding the INTL flights for the lowest cost, or they are replaced. That is how Delta wants it, and that isn't the Delta pilots' fault. And, the 50 seaters are uneconomical, and that is a fact nobody can dispute.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

So, every FO with 2000 hrs total time and zero PIC and limited experience does what with the rest of their career? Close up shop tomorrow, and these guys careers are over. Some may get on at a Major, maybe some at Allegiant or Jetblue? But the rest are done....thanks for thinking of them. The guys with PIC that cant get a spot, well, they just need to quick find a new profession to feed their kids. But hey, you already got what you needed from a 'subcontractor', and now it's ok with you that they "close up shop." Just like Genital Pee, you are a scum bag.

Full disclosure. I think there should be more jobs at main line on big jets. I don't advocate wishing a company close up shop, because I got mine.

Here we go again......thanks for the name calling, AGAIN. Anyway, the RJs won't go away all together, but the numbers overall will probably be reduced. And, if and when the legacies start hiring, the guys who aren't lifers with PIC will probably get hired first, but retirements will last years, and other RJ pilots will follow if they want. If not, the Regionals will likely stay around forever, but may not be as strong and powerful as they once were.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

blah blah blah jenny leigh, can't wait to hear her reaction to DALPA giving in again, should be quite entertaining

 

[SiuDude]

blah blah blah jenny leigh, can't wait to hear her reaction to DALPA giving in again, should be quite entertaining

Wow, obsessed much?

 

[79%N1]

Here we go again......thanks for the name calling, AGAIN. Anyway, the RJs won't go away all together, but the numbers overall will probably be reduced. And, if and when the legacies start hiring, the guys who aren't lifers with PIC will probably get hired first, but retirements will last years, and other RJ pilots will follow if they want. If not, the Regionals will likely stay around forever, but may not be as strong and powerful as they once were.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Yawn....................

I was responding to another 'I got mine' mainliner wishing away peoples livlihoods by hoping all their jobs "close up tomorrow'! His words, not mine. All that stuff you say about everyone going to mainline and not all the jobs disappearing are NOT what he said he hoped for - much like you, Mr. Lee (There, no name calling dear Sir).

 

[Freebrd]

Wow, obsessed much?

bite me! :nuts:

 

[General Lee]

Yawn....................

I was responding to another 'I got mine' mainliner wishing away peoples livlihoods by hoping all their jobs "close up tomorrow'! His words, not mine. All that stuff you say about everyone going to mainline and not all the jobs disappearing are NOT what he said he hoped for - much like you, Mr. Lee (There, no name calling dear Sir).

UMMMM, WHAT? Thanks for NOT calling me names, AGAIN. If mainline hired, then any jobs lost to RJs going away anyways would hopefully be transfered to a GROWING mainline, right? A transfer to a better job. That is what I hope for. Retirements will happen at all of the legacies, and that will be good for you guys too. If you don't have the PIC now, you will finally get your chance as people get hired away. If you want to stay at shrinking regionals, then go ahead. That's the honest truth. No evil laugh on my end.


There is an interesting article about the Regionals and how they are transforming due to the changes in this industry. I think I saw it in the SLC tribune a couple days ago, but I can't seem to find it now and paste it. Any help out there?



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flyer1015]

Is general lee really Jenny Leigh, a woman, or is that just a play on words? I have a hard time believing a woman would have as many posts on an aviation forum. Only us silly men waste our time here! Women are smarter.

 

[General Lee]

Is general lee really Jenny Leigh, a woman, or is that just a play on words? I have a hard time believing a woman would have as many posts on an aviation forum. Only us silly men waste our time here! Women are smarter.

No, I am not a woman. Remember, I am about a buck soaking wet, and 6'4". I look a lot like Learch.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[DYLIN]

Yawn....................

I was responding to another 'I got mine' mainliner wishing away peoples livlihoods by hoping all their jobs "close up tomorrow'! His words, not mine. All that stuff you say about everyone going to mainline and not all the jobs disappearing are NOT what he said he hoped for - much like you, Mr. Lee (There, no name calling dear Sir).

No you weren't, you did not even read what I wrote then.

I work for an outsourced shop myself. I did not "get mine" yet. I am at a carrier that should not have the flying that it does.

For the third time, I'm not wishing people out of jobs -- what I am saying is, in a perfect world, I'd like to see all of the "Connection" and "Express" words scratched off CRJs and EMBs tonight, and have them all be mainline tomorrow, with the same workforce in the morning...being suddenly treated like they should have been all along in many different aspects including pay.

 

[titans10]

Go fu(k yourself co(ksucker!

Maybe I can lose my home and make my family move to a trailer court and eat beans and hot dogs everyday because you think my company should close up. Fu(k off a$$hole!

So, was it a good feeling taking a job while furloughed guys/gals were losing there homes and families. You could have said no. I hope Delta Pilots take all there flying back. We shall see.

 

[79%N1]

Did I root for a pilot to lose his job? Could I help the economics of the situation? No. Did I vote to give up flying to get my own raise? No. But, if you find a post where I said, I hope those damn mainline pilots get furloughed so more RJ's go to the regionals then you can slam me the same. I have kids to feed, and put a roof over their head. Will maybe my company 'close shop' and I'll lose my house? Maybe. But, to publicly root for it is another thing. There are people that care for their families with this job, and not everyone will immediately just magically appear at mainline on the first class date.

 

[General Lee]

Did I root for a pilot to lose his job? Could I help the economics of the situation? No. Did I vote to give up flying to get my own raise? No. But, if you find a post where I said, I hope those damn mainline pilots get furloughed so more RJ's go to the regionals then you can slam me the same. I have kids to feed, and put a roof over their head. Will maybe my company 'close shop' and I'll lose my house? Maybe. But, to publicly root for it is another thing. There are people that care for their families with this job, and not everyone will immediately just magically appear at mainline on the first class date.

I have NEVER said "I hope 79%N1 you lose your job." Never. I want less RJs out there and more mainline jobs.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[rtmcfi]

So, was it a good feeling taking a job while furloughed guys/gals were losing there homes and families. You could have said no. I hope Delta Pilots take all there flying back. We shall see.

Did it feel good voting to allow your jobs to be outsourced? What did you buy with your
Green slip money?