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Photoflight said:Posted this up in the general forum...a former engineer for learjet tells why eclipse is/has failed.
http://eclipseaviationcritic.blogspot.com/
Miami Freight said:I can imagine the first time I land a small plane in a few years. The mantra would be "flare at 5, flare at 5". Thanks for the input. I agree, a few hundred per leg at least. I'd be saving them a bundle on their insurance due to my time.
AerroMatt said:I see lots of inflammatory headlines on this blog. Won't get a chance to read any of it before this weekend. The one headline about the change in engines did grab my eye as a legit concern, but my first impression is that this fellow is grinding his ax against Eclipse and Mr Rayburn for some unknown personal reason. Perhaps the blogger should instead concentrate his journalistic efforts on a more lucrative field of blogging, like wacko liberal democratic fundraiser?
I've been impressed with what Eclipse has pulled off so far. I do agree that it isn't what Vern Rayburn unveiled 6 years ago, but what new airplane design has made it into production unchanged? The simple fact that they have acheived certification with a different powerplant than what the airframe was designed for is a testament to some pretty decent engineering. If nothing else, Mr Rayburn and team managed to make it to market first (just like Mr Lear), and by doing so is defining a new market.
I do remember that there was a competitor way back in 2000 to the Eclipse, it was called the Safire. Nice looking design, all composite airframe. Only trouble as I saw it back then was they were designing their airframe around a powerplant that had been designed by an engineering firm with NO production experience. No matter how sweet it might have looked on their 'puter drawing boards, they hadn't a clue how tough it would be to get their engine certified, let alone into production.
So what if Eclipse isn't what was originally marketed? At least it has made it to the market. This blogger seems to be so single-minded as to do nothing but criticize, he needs to remember all the naysayers that existed against Bill Lear (his old boss) and his crazy idea of converting (yes, converting) a Pilatus single seat jet fighter design into an executive transport!
I for one will be waiting to see how things go for Eclipse, but my employer is actively toying with the idea of ordering one. I won't turn my nose up at it...
iaflyer said:Yeah, that will last - until a customer wants to fly somewhere Saturday morning and someone else wants to return on Sunday. Nope, passengers never want to do that. Or fly at night.
While I admire their goal, it's just not realistic in an air taxi type of business.
Publishers said:I don't think that you understand the model they are operating on. While it may change, they are looking for the out and back in one day business flyer. It is the leave Miami at 8am go to TPA by 9 come back at 5 be here at 6