Eagle Hiring Plans

[hammertime]

FYI .... was in the audience for a speech by Eagle's chief pilot recently. He claimed that they still have 100 pilots on furlough and expects the last of those pilots to be recalled by March of 2003. That is of course assuming they all stick around waiting until then, which is unlikely. Only AFTER they have been offered recall notices will they be opening up their doors to new hires. Based on my understanding of the current market, I'd guess the last of the Eagle pilots that have chosen to wait for a recall notice will be called back late this fall or early this winter. May mean new class openings in December.

Also, they are continuing to take delivery of two new RJ's a month for the next several years. There are eventual plans to retire their SAAB's (nothing official yet) however the ATR's are in service indefinitely. Bottom line is they will continue to increase their fleet size each month for the immediate future and he was very confident that once they are back on track financially, they will be able become very competitive in terms of new hires.

 

[WyoHerkdriver]

Great,
As a AA/TWA furloughee, it bugs the heck out of me to hear that Eagle is expanding while 700 AA guys are on furlough. Two new jets a month while AMR may be grounding some MD80s here in STL. That sure is convenient isn't it? Why recall a guy and pay him $100 per hour when they can pay some Eagle FO $25 per hour to essentially do the same thing. Sorry - just venting some frustration here. Hopefully, AA and Eagle will get all the furloughees back and start hiring again.

 

[hammertime]

I'm sure it is frustrating however it certainly isn't unique to AA. Lots of regionals are currently or are getting ready to hire .... Shuttle America (US Airways), Pinnacle (Northwest), Comair (Delta), ACA (United), etc. I didn't think about it before now but the only majors I know of that are hiring (Southwest & Alaska .... Spirit to a lesser extent) are also the only ones that don't have any regional carrier affiliation!

 

[EOpilot]

No regional affiliation?

Ummm.. Alaska has Horizon. Pretty sure that counts.

 

[Steve McCroskey]

Last time I checked AE had 304 pilots on furlough. I know many will not be coming back. If the chief pilot doesnt even know how many pilots his company has on the street, I would take all his other info with a grain of salt.

 

[justincase]

Hammer- Just wondering where you heard this info.? Thanks

 

[PositiveRate]

Being one of the furloughed Eagle pilots, I can tell you that the original post is way off base.

JP11 hit the nail on the head. Eagle hasn't recalled a single pilot yet and probably won't for a while.

 

[hammertime]

Speech was given at a flight academy that has an agreement to send reduced-time pilots to them upon graduation. I wonder why he would say they have 100 currently on furlough if in fact the number is closer to 300. Perhaps he was only counting crew that are still actively waiting to be recalled (i.e. is it possible that up to 200 of those have jumped S.S. Eagle totally since the initial pink slip?).

 

[PositiveRate]

They're likely trying to preserve the relationship with whatever academy you're at.

 

[flyboy]

Hammer,

You must go to ATA. I would definitely take everything you hear with a grain of salt. They are really trying to keep students there right now. They will pretty much say anything right now. Eagle has a really good relationship with the Williams boys and I wouldn't be suprised if they weren't blowing a little smoke on the Williams behalf. 100 just wouldn't make any sense. Especially if Ken Oz........ is still working there as an admissions counselor. I don't know if he's still there but if he is, that should have been the first indicator that there are many that are still on the street. Congratulations to the 12 guys that got picked up by ACA though.

 

[eaglefly]

Don't know what "chief pilot" you heard from (there are 7, 1 for each domicile). If you heard from "someone" higher up, you've been snookered. Most all Eagle pilots are used to the sea of crapola shoveled our way. But you keep beleving what you hear. Certain people are counting on clueless hopefuls like yourself.

BTW, We have a "flow-thru" agreement with AA ! BWAA, HAAA, HAAA, HAAA !

 

[na265]

I really don't know much about AE, but was wondering. Does AA have any plans to spin-off AE to get out of the scope clause like CAL seems to have done with COEX? Alos, I was talking to a student from Comair in MCO a few weeks ago and asked her about Comair's spin on the lay-offs. She acted like she had never heard of such a thing. These flight schools must have Slick-Willies spin doctors working for them.

 

[MartinFierro]

So far not 1 person has been recalled to Eagle. As others have stated, there are 304 on furlough. Whoever it was (was it Ed Criner? I wouldn't trust that guy for anything) that said "100 on furlough" is definitely blowing smoke. True, many will not be coming back, but there is no way he can know the actual number who are not. No one really does. Also, the company even seems reluctant to recall, even when there is a shortage of F/Os in many bases.

Alos, I was talking to a student from Comair in MCO a few weeks ago and asked her about Comair's spin on the lay-offs. She acted like she had never heard of such a thing.

If you are referring to Comair furloughes, there are none. They are hiring and expanding. Something unfamiliar to us AMR Eagle types.

 

[na265]

I should have been more clear. I was talking about furloughes in the industry. This student I was talking to seemed to still think that 1000tt and 100multi would be competive to get a job. I have heard of pilots with thousands of hrs, multiple types and gobs of jet time who can't find work. This goes back to the smoke these "professional" flight schools are blowing these days. I hope we get back to the days of wine and roses in the near future. I think the people at these schools need to be more honest with the students and be professional. Then again we are talking about lots of money. You know how the saying goes. Sorry about getting off the subject of the thread, and I know this has been hacked to death, but my .02.

 

[eaglefly]

CAL's spin-off of COEX will not change their SCOPE clause (It did effectively kill their flow-thru). Should AMR decide to spin-off Eagle it also would not change the APA Scope clause. In addition it will not alter the flow-thru. However until AA begins to hire again, the flow-thru is non-existant.

 

[FlyinBrian]

The situation is bad at Eagle. I am one of the ones who very well may return anyway. na265 is correct when he says that 1000/100 doesn't cut it anymore. Unfortunately, those of us who were hired shortly after hitting the 1000/100 mark are having trouble finding greener pasutres,so waiting for Eagle may be the only option. I'm spamming my resume like there's no tomorrow, and I'm lucky to get a "no-thanks" postcard.

If you're at a pilot factory and they're still telling you that there is a job for you as soon as you graduate, they're full of B.S. They were mostly full of BS BEFORE 9/11.

Hammertime, I've seen the list of furloughees and there are still 304 names on it. Whoever spoke you may have estimated that only 100 are actually planning on returning, but he has no way to know that. Spend some time on this board and learn the situation. Don't beleive what the money-grubbing pilot factories tell you.