E-190s at AWA/US Mainline?

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

[/QUOTE]True, but the whole point of a lot of this thread is that at JB you can move over to the Airbus and top out at 139/hr. The most you'll ever make at CHQ is 104. (not to mention stock options and better bennies at JB).

So that makes it ok to have crappy EMb190 rates. Wake up

 

[michael707767]

That's cool but you'll find the answer remains the same.

fine, show me some proof. I have read every press release I could find, and not one says anything about it. Further, I think USAir in some form was planning on operating the 190 before 08. Like I said, I question it, can't prove it. Why don't you show me?

 

[mdanno808]

The job of each MEC is to look out for their respective pilot group. The fact that the E 190 will be flown at mainline goes to show that the MEC is doing exactly that. They are preserving jobs. As far as scoffing at the pay rates, think about this: What are career expectations at CMR? What about at the mainline companies? How many CMR pilot's will break 6 figures this year? Not many. Pay may be crappy to start, but they will certainly be making a lot of money 10 years down the line. The decision to keep the 190 at mainline is preserving job's, and in the long run creating them.

 

[Superpilot92]

The best thing we could do, is to get one seniority list within the airlines. You start on the prop/RJ you end up on the A-380/B787.

The problem is now, that a regional pilot is not about to give up his gig to start over or be stapled on the seniority list. So the RJ guy will fight for more, and bigger, airplanes and mainline will have to adjust what they are willing to accept.

Not true, i am a regional guy that would love for this to happen. I dont want to stay at a regional my whole life. Just my two pennies!!


Discuss

 

[GuinessGuy]

Why all the turmoil about the dang E-190. It was never a problem when Biz Ex was running the Bae146 for Delta Connection. It's not a problem that Mesaba is running the Bae146 for NWA Airlink. It's not a problem for Air Wisconsin running the Bae146 for United Express.
This "line-in-the-sand" should have been drawn fifteen years ago.
I agree, I think the E-190 and the old Bae146 should not be and never been "express/connection/airlink" branded platforms.
This fight is almost two decades late, but you want them now because the industry niche is the "large smalljet."

Why didn't mainline crews want them "back in the day"???

Republics E-190 Capt rates are better than B6. With a fairly good contract to boot.

Why is it OK for B6 to operate the E-190 and not Republic???

 

[Bigbeerbelly]

The best thing we could do, is to get one seniority list within the airlines. You start on the prop/RJ you end up on the A-380/B787.

I think this is a bit overkill. I am however in full support of an industry wide payscale determined by aircraft type. For example CRJ CA year 1=$65/hr to year 12=$100. The race to the bottom has to end and as long as airlines can whipsaw work groups against eachother it will continue. Does anyone know why ALPA has not explored this yet. It seems to work great for the plumbing profession.

BBB

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

I'm confused by all this talk of the CHQ E-190 pay scale. In their contract I only see a scale for 79-99 seat jets. The E-190 is a 100 seat jet. Shouldn't a new scale have to be negotiated?

 

[Crzipilot]

Here's the pay rates for the 190 on mainline. has provisions which if 4 airlines put the 190 into service and their top pay is in excess of the pay scale reflected, then alpo and serve section 6 notice with the company to renegotiate the scale. Pilots recalled to the 190 f/o position can bypass without affecting their recall in accordance the US CBA. In addition furloughed pilots will be offered vacancies at AWA with some terms attached to that. If not enough takers for those vacancies, AWA may hire off the street but they will be jr. to those on the combined list. Which does include the fuloughed pilots.

Also the rates are still subject to ratification.

I couldn't get the formatting right, but the numbers should be justified to the right......


US EMB 190 Captain Rates
2006 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
1 78.57 78.57 78.57 78.57 80.14 80.14 81.74 81.74
2 80.36 80.36 80.36 80.36 81.96 81.96 83.60 83.60
3 82.14 82.14 82.14 82.14 83.79 83.79 85.46 85.46
4 83.96 83.96 83.96 83.96 85.63 85.63 87.35 87.35
5 85.82 85.82 85.82 85.82 87.54 87.54 89.29 89.29
6 87.53 87.53 87.53 87.53 89.28 89.28 91.07 91.07
7 89.29 89.29 89.29 89.29 91.07 91.07 92.90 92.90
8 91.07 91.07 91.07 91.07 92.89 92.89 94.75 94.75
9 92.89 92.89 92.89 92.89 94.75 94.75 96.64 96.64
10 94.74 94.74 94.74 94.74 96.64 96.64 98.57 98.57
11 96.64 96.64 96.64 98.58 98.58 100.55 100.55
12 98.58 98.58 100.55 100.55 102.56 102.56


US EMB 190 First Officer Rates

2006 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
1 41.22 41.22 41.22 41.22 42.05 42.05 42.89 42.89
2 43.72 43.72 43.72 43.72 44.60 44.60 45.49 45.49
3 46.22 46.22 46.22 46.22 47.15 47.15 48.09 48.09
4 48.72 48.72 48.72 48.72 49.70 49.70 50.69 50.69
5 51.13 51.13 51.13 51.13 52.16 52.16 53.20 53.20
6 52.16 52.16 52.16 52.16 53.20 53.20 54.26 54.26
7 53.20 53.20 53.20 54.26 54.26 55.35 55.35
8 54.26 54.26 55.34 55.34 56.45 56.45
9 55.34 56.45 56.45 57.58 57.58
10 57.58 57.58 58.74 58.74
11 58.73 59.90 59.90
12 61.11 61.11

 

[FeelingBlue]

fine, show me some proof. I have read every press release I could find, and not one says anything about it. Further, I think USAir in some form was planning on operating the 190 before 08. Like I said, I question it, can't prove it. Why don't you show me?

Dude,

Think about it. 100 a/c intial order w/ options for 100 more. Don't you think that you would get something for being the launch customer for a new a/c? That being said, they probably won't let me down in to HQ to photocopy the contract for you. However, I have it from someone in the "know" that the deal is two years from start of service no domestic deliveries. Believe it or don't, my friend, but that is the way it is.

 

[LittleDeuce]

190 Pay Rates

Crzipilot;

Would you please provide the source for those pay rates?

I do not see any thing on our web site but I may have missed it.

Thanks.