Gotta agree with some of you... F9 and Alaska FO rates are the minimum.. $165 hr for Cpt's is about right.. As far as our union.. I don't know many of them, but I do know M.B. And he was probably the worst guy we could have at our company trying to negotiate our pilot contract.. 9-capts proposal was a huge stretch, we won't get anything close to that.. Not that we don't deserve it, but I don't want AAI to have an industry leading contract. Put me right in the middle 3/4 and I will be perfectly happy. The age 65 thing, don't get me started, EVERYONE should have been polled, and I sure the hell wasn't.. SAPII.. Don't get me started on that either.. I didn't get 1 single trade I tried for last month.. Someone else had already picked up every trade.. What a joke, SAP II sucks now. Im with FFLS.. We have to be realistic with the new contract. First year pay isn't bad, second should be around $60-65 and 3rd yr should be $72-76 with $2 hr perdiem and around 13% into the B fund.. Clean up a little bit of the grey areas and I think that would be a pretty good contract considering the times.. We may loose our reserve pay, but only if we get 75 hours guarantee.. (btw.. those rates would be starting rates only. Add a couple % every year for the life of the contract to top out around 170-175.)