DW is mad at Jetblue

[STL717]

More block time per duty period will increase the potential to get DVT.

Deep venous thrombosis (DVT) affects mainly the veins in the lower leg and the thigh. It involves the formation of a clot (thrombus) in the larger veins of the area. This thrombus may interfere with circulation of the area, and it may break off and travel through the blood stream (embolize). The embolus thus created can lodge in the brain, lungs, heart, or other area, causing severe damage to that organ.

Risks include prolonged sitting, bedrest or immobilization (such as on long plane or car trips), recent surgery or trauma (especially hip, knee or gynecological surgery), fractures, childbirth within the last 6 months and the use of medications such as estrogen and birth control pills. Risks also include a history of polycythemia vera, malignant tumor, and inherited or acquired hypercoagulability (changes in the levels of blood clotting factors making the blood more likely to clot).
Deep venous thrombosis is more commonly seen in adults over age 60 but can occur in any age group.

 

[Purple Haze]

Like watching atrain wreck

JB guys begging to move BACKWARDS on work rules that took generations to achieve -- amazing, childlike, short term thinking.

JB management must be laughing their arses off at the gullible sheep that fly their planes.

JB pilots: What you change DOES affect everyone else.
You are naive beyond belief.

 

[skykid]

What was the original pay for JB left seaters?

 

[Chest Rockwell]

What if >8 hours but no more than 10 were restricted to no more than 2 legs and a 12 hour duty day. I don't think that would qualify for a sky is falling reaction. DVT is an issue to be looked at however.

 

[General Lee]

What if >8 hours but no more than 10 were restricted to no more than 2 legs and a 12 hour duty day. I don't think that would qualify for a sky is falling reaction. DVT is an issue to be looked at however.

Let's throw in more qualifiers: the Wx must be great, not good, at both locations, and the pilots MUST have slept over 13 hours straight the night before, with no wake ups to go pee. They also must be married with nice wives (or husbands) that like to clean and cook for them. Their kids must have straight A's, so they don't worry about them on those long flying days...... What else? It's just a bad idea by a group that doesn't seem to care about anyone else.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[NewBlue]

Straight As? Dang! I was all over it until that.

 

[80drvr]

APA/AA Petitions FAA To Amend Crew Rest RequirementsResearch has proven that performance impairment after a “time since awakening” (TSA) of 17 hours is equivalent to that of a person who is legally drunk (.05% blood alcohol) according to current FARs. That’s one of the reasons APA and American Airlines have jointly petitioned the FAA to amend crew rest requirements under Subpart R- Flag Operations for non-augmented flight duty to include the look back crew rest requirements under Subpart Q – Domestic Operations.



As you are no doubt aware, current regulations under the Federal Aviation Regulations, Subpart Q – Domestic Operations, Sec. 121.471 require pilots conducting domestic operations to have received at least an eight-hour predetermined rest period within the 24-hour period prior to the scheduled completion of any flight segment under the “look back” rule. However, no such crew rest requirement exists for flights operated under Subpart R – Flag Operations, Secs. 121.481 and 121.483. Amending Subpart R (Flag Operations) to ensure prospective rest for international pilots on non-augmented flights (no relief crewmembers) will reduce known fatigue risk, raise the bar on aviation safety, and benefit the flying public. To read a copy of the APA-American Airlines petition, click here.

 

[PsubS]

A few open questions...

A few questions for those inclined to argue/debate rationally:

1. What science is behind the current 8 hour rule?
2. If the Europeans allow flight ops beyond 8 hours with a 2 person crew, does that make their operations unsafe?
3. What is the harm in determining what time limit should be placed on 2 man ops?

This waiver has not been requested; that step depends wholy on the outcome of test flights that may or may not show the scientific validity of the concept.

None of us are equiped with anything except personal anectdotes on the subject as of now. Why not see what the science provides before going off on subjective tangents on relative safety?

 

[Chest Rockwell]

It's just a bad idea by a group that doesn't seem to care about anyone else.

You seem to have no rational argument other than change is bad. Seems a bit narrow-minded. Please tell me how status quo is better than 10hours/2 legs/12 duty. I do not think anyone is in favor of raising the flight time limit without without some sort of constraint.

 

[General Lee]

You seem to have no rational argument other than change is bad. Seems a bit narrow-minded. Please tell me how status quo is better than 10hours/2 legs/12 duty. I do not think anyone is in favor of raising the flight time limit without without some sort of constraint.

How about less pilots needed? Ever think of that? Oh, that's right, you guys are hiring.....


How about knowing that you WILL BE EVEN MORE TIRED UPON ARRIVAL AND ANY BAD WEATHER WILL MAKE IT WORSE? Can you deny that one? Change is bad....

I am sure every day will be perfect, with no delays, no bad weather, no surprises......


Bye bye--General Lee