Dumb Ass Legacy Pilots Need Rudder Training

[jmreii]

Tool? Thanks Mr. Internet Tough Guy.

Hull loss, fatalities, call it whatever you want. Bottom line is regional pilots have farked up much more than major/legacy pilots, and with deadlier results. And some of the reasons are just downright stupid. Elementary things like taking off on the wrong runway, and stalling an airplane into the ground. Whether one wants to admit it or not, there is a difference in safety when you compare the majors to the regionals. MANY regionals get paid on completion factor. So, management will push their pilots to complete their flights. Even if unsafe. Money trumps all. Regionals are already insured for the next crash. It's all math. Some lawyer sat down and explained to them the loss of money if they train more, schedule better, hire more, equip planes with ground separation/conflict alert equipment, and all those safety enhancements compared to how much they'll lose on the next crash. And they choose to insure for the next crash. NOTHING has changed since the Colgan crash. NOTHING. No rest rule changes, no fatigue changes. Everything done was all smoke and mirrors. The majors is a world of a difference between regionals. Ask any Delta Connection RJ pilot that has been hired at Delta.

You get the prize mr. clown, nothing will every change except for the window dressing.

 

[crj567]

Unfortunatley it's not only at the majors. I've flown with plenty of clowns who's rudder use is appalling, and aileron inputs non-existent.

Well-let's see.... If these guys never used the ailerons, how the heck did you all get where you were going?

 

[crj567]

]Tool? The majors is a world of a difference between regionals. Ask any Delta Connection RJ pilot that has been hired at Delta.

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Besides better grammar skills-most major airline pilots can come up with better avatars than the one your second grader hacked together for you.

-Congrats.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Did I strike a nerve? It's true. Just look at the history of airline crashes for this decade, 2001-2010. Then when you grow up, take a deep breath, and can maturely carry a conversation, we'll talk. Recent incidents of legacy carriers: landing on a taxiway, overflying a destination, overshooting at Jamaica, skidding off the side at Denver. No deaths. Recent incidents of regionals: descending below published MDA and killing everyone, taking off the wrong runway and killing everyone (FO lived), and just outright stalling the airplane into the ground, killing everyone. What is your argument regarding this topic?

Sorry dude, but the only reason those mainline incidents didn't cause any deaths was luck, and luck isn't a mitigating factor.

 

[at7driver]

depressing thread for sure, but F1015 you need to check the history books.. the "majors" as you say have stuffed their share.. but why dredge up accidents, we are supposed to learn from them.. light bulb and 1011 mean anything to you.. oh thats right you werent even born then.. gl man you will need it.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Elementary things like taking off on the wrong runway, and stalling an airplane into the ground. Whether one wants to admit it or not, there is a difference in safety when you compare the majors to the regionals.

Right, elementary things like being aware of the location of your destination airport, how to differentiate between a taxiway and a runway, or landing in the touchdown zone. These types of errors would never happen at a major carrier. Oh wait...

Statistically speaking, yes the major airlines do have an overall better safety record. However, there's plenty of evidence that they too can play into stupid pilot tricks.

 

[aa73]

Both major and regional airlines have screwed up big time. There is no argument there. However, the statistics DO show that a passenger is much more at risk on a regional than on a major. That's not an opinion, it's fact, simply due to the nature of regional flying for the reasons listed above. As an example, I fly MAYBE 3 legs very rarely, normally only 2 per day on the 737 Int'l out of DCA/IAD... compared to the usual 5, sometimes 6 short hops I used to do at ACA, in and out of IAD all day long in the suckiest WX, all under the "fee per departure" (read: GO GO GO!!) deal. Due to that nature, the flying risk was way higher at ACA, and it's no different today.

Disclaimer: I am NOT saying the majors have never screwed up big time, not by a long shot.

 

[Varmint]

Hey, I think we flew together the other day. Weren't you the guy death gripping the yoke due to that crosswind that was 8kts gusting to 12? Would you mind bringing a Sham-Wow! to wipe your sweat off the thrust levers next time? Thanks!

to quote delta. "wind check".

 

[Quimby]

We need the 200 hour wonders back, they never crashed a plane. Cuz they were too scared to touch anything.

.....and they're so far behind the airplane they're not even in it.

 

[ground stop]

Did I strike a nerve? It's true. Just look at the history of airline crashes for this decade, 2001-2010.

did you forget aa587? 260+5 died in that one.

 

[aa73]

did you forget aa587? 260+5 died in that one.

... and how much easier is it to blame a dead crew for some excessive rudder deflection that MAY have been caused by the F/O (DFR never measured WHERE the rudder input came from) rather than blaming a whole aircraft manufacturer that supplies over half of the world's fleet?

Sorry folks, with AA 587 the NTSB participated in the second biggest cover up after TWA 800.

 

[dojetdriver]

Both major and regional airlines have screwed up big time. There is no argument there. However, the statistics DO show that a passenger is much more at risk on a regional than on a major. That's not an opinion, it's fact, simply due to the nature of regional flying for the reasons listed above. As an example, I fly MAYBE 3 legs very rarely, normally only 2 per day on the 737 Int'l out of DCA/IAD... compared to the usual 5, sometimes 6 short hops I used to do at ACA, in and out of IAD all day long in the suckiest WX, all under the "fee per departure" (read: GO GO GO!!) deal. Due to that nature, the flying risk was way higher at ACA, and it's no different today.

Disclaimer: I am NOT saying the majors have never screwed up big time, not by a long shot.

Valid point. The legacy pilot only hangs his certificates out in the breeze, as well as exposes himself and his passengers to danger 2-3 times a day.

"Regional" flying, that number is way higher. Many of the trips I'm flying now are 5-4-4-5. 18 legs in a 4 day period. That's 18 chances to screw something up/get people killed in a 4 day period. And that pales in comparison to previous turbo prop operators where they have been doing 8-10 legs a day.