drunk united Pilot

[AA767AV8TOR]

Just to let you all in on a little secret – England’s alcohol limits for working crewmembers are ½ the legal limit in the US.


Many US pilots are not aware of the UK’s lower limits. They have a few cold ones thinking they are OK. Now combine that lack of knowledge with the time zone change and we have a receipt for disaster. The same strategy that works for pilots laying over in the US will not work in the UK.


Security personnel are actively looking for crewmembers that may be over the limit. In addition, there are cameras everywhere in London, including the pubs.


Be careful out there. We need to get the word out for US pilots flying into the UK. This is the third pilot of a major carrier busted this year flying out of Heathrow.

AA767AV8TOR

 

[Dubya]

Your neurology determines how addictive you are to alcohol or any addictive substance. The 'weak' (as you put it) MUST actually be stronger than those who aren't afflicted. It requires much more will power and inner strength to abstain for someone who is predisposed to this illness than not. All addictions are illnesses. Addictions manifest themselves from genetic variances. For the most part, those who are forced to deal with their demons (by no choice of their own) are almost destined to abuse substances.

Our biology, chemistry and neurology drive our social behaviors. Instinctual needs brought on by our physical state precede all our social manifestations. Your body is hungry; thus, you eat. You bowels need some movement; hence, you find a toilet. Social conduct and behavior are the end points of your bodies need.

Occasionally, it is a break down in adherence to social norms, but for the vast majority of sufferers, it is driven by their need to chronically self-medicate. Essentially, THAT is what is taking place. Substances are used in lieu of medicines to tamp down feelings which are not present in those who do not posses addictive urges.

Exactly. Self-medicate your WEAKNESSES. Dealing with deamons is not an illness. It is weakness.

 

[Basil]

The talking head on the t.v. stated a crew member turned him in but we all know how accurate the media is on aviation stories

Hadn't heard that, but it does make you wonder... IF he was indeed drunk enough for a screener to notice during a brief interaction, did the rest of his crew not notice during the van ride from the hotel? Sure he could have taken a cab alone and not interacted with anyone else, but wouldn't it be more likely that he chatted with the crew in the hotel while waiting for the van, etc? I'd be disappointed if the crew knew and wasn't going to stop him.

If he's innocent, I hope he walks. If he's not, he should hang, whether it's a sickness or weakness.

 

[MCDU]

Looks like he was not a Sc$b.

M

 

[seefive]

Alcolism is a sickness. First, you have no clue whether this pilot is an alcoholic. Second, even if he is and is "sick", he wasn't sick when he decided to go fly an airplane. Third, if you're sick....get help......that's what the rest of us have to do.
Everyone, sick or not, is responsible for their actions.

I wish no ill will on this pilot or any other who gets caught doing something illegal. But i'm damn sure glad he was caught.

 

[tyuwerty]

Your neurology determines how addictive you are to alcohol or any addictive substance. The 'weak' (as you put it) MUST actually be stronger than those who aren't afflicted. It requires much more will power and inner strength to abstain for someone who is predisposed to this illness than not. All addictions are illnesses. Addictions manifest themselves from genetic variances. For the most part, those who are forced to deal with their demons (by no choice of their own) are almost destined to abuse substances.

Our biology, chemistry and neurology drive our social behaviors. Instinctual needs brought on by our physical state precede all our social manifestations. Your body is hungry; thus, you eat. You bowels need some movement; hence, you find a toilet. Social conduct and behavior are the end points of your bodies need.

Occasionally, it is a break down in adherence to social norms, but for the vast majority of sufferers, it is driven by their need to chronically self-medicate. Essentially, THAT is what is taking place. Substances are used in lieu of medicines to tamp down feelings which are not present in those who do not posses addictive urges.

Why would you even bother bringing facts into this forum?

 

[olympus593]

Can't f***ing drink in peace anymore...

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Exactly. Self-medicate your WEAKNESSES. Dealing with deamons is not an illness. It is weakness.

It all depends on how you prefer to define 'weakness'. Are diabetics weak for requiring insulin. Would wearing glasses be considered weak. The demons ARE the illness - dealing with it through alcohol is a coping mechanism. These individuals require some form of a fix to negate particular demons. Some manifest it though gambling. Others through smoking. Some use illicit drugs to counter their inner turmoil. The point is, the drinking is not the problem, but rather the underlying illness. Humans require a lot of coping mechanisms in various forms. Your nature determines much of this and the environment facilitates it.

 

[Basil]

CNN also is reporting that he was "pulled off the plane" after being reported by "coworkers". Good for them.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Amish must be a defense attorney. Nobody actually does anything WRONG, they are just misunderstood.

 

[BrickTop]

No sympathy here. One more seat to be filled. You drink you fly you lose...

 

[JohnDoe]

, it seems we have become a country of angry finger pointers.

No, we have become a country of "victims."

 

[eskimopilot]

Now I know why it is so hard to get direct anywhere. ATC has a six time higher rate of failing a random Alcohol test than pilots.
Hell the screeners have a rate twice that of Pilots.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/mid/NIHMS27110/table/T1/

 

[Dubya]

It all depends on how you prefer to define 'weakness'. Are diabetics weak for requiring insulin. Would wearing glasses be considered weak. The demons ARE the illness - dealing with it through alcohol is a coping mechanism. These individuals require some form of a fix to negate particular demons. Some manifest it though gambling. Others through smoking. Some use illicit drugs to counter their inner turmoil. The point is, the drinking is not the problem, but rather the underlying illness. Humans require a lot of coping mechanisms in various forms. Your nature determines much of this and the environment facilitates it.

It is estimated that 70% of diabetes is attributed to obestiy. Obesity is due to behavior, as is alcoholism.

Society has coined the term "disease" for alcoholism, obesity, drug addiction, etc. They are not diseases, they are behaviors.

Multiple sclerosis = disease
Gambling = behavior
Gambling addiction = weakness

malaria = disease
smoking = behavior
addiction to nicotene = weakness

So would you say a serial rapist has a sex "disease", or a behavioral disorder?

 

[Dubya]

No sympathy here. One more seat to be filled. You drink you fly you lose...

......chicken dinner.