Does this offer look familiar to Southwest pilots? REDFLYER?

[General Lee]

Boeing made a engineering miscalculation in which our crews did a nice job getting it down.

On the other hand, your illustrious airline ran out of money and could not sustain itself if it paid its bills. So, therefore, yall furloughed, ripped off vendors, and gave your flying a way.

Hmmmmm, you are having a hard time understanding this..... Again for you, the reason I posted this thread was to show Redflyer that it happened to Southwest too, in 2004. If you want to recite history, then you can. Your Tuna Can incident was handled well, no doubt, but your hostility about a BK (which is allowed for anyone or any company by LAW) is troubling. BTW, most of those vendors were repaid with stock coming out of BK. Thanks for playing.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[pilotyip]

Lower costs then all but Allegiant, now that Tranny is owned. From a Pilot's view - Who pay would you want the most?

My view is that of a consumer, my wife travels to ABQ from DTW 6-7 times per year. Right now the trip for the first week of August is $430 RT SWA, $330 RT Frontier, $350 AAL, and DAL, plus a bunch more under $400, SWA is not the lowest cost carrier. Now they have a lot going for them , like no charge ticket changes, no baggage fees.

 

[SWA/FO]

My view is that of a consumer, my wife travels to ABQ from DTW 6-7 times per year. Right now the trip for the first week of August is $430 RT SWA, $330 RT Frontier, $350 AAL, and DAL, plus a bunch more under $400, SWA is not the lowest cost carrier. Now they have a lot going for them , like no charge ticket changes, no baggage fees.

Did you factor in, paying for your seat?, a booking fee, paying to check bags, paying for pop/chips etc.. etc.. 2 bags eachway probably would cost you an extra $100. We are not the cheapest on many routes.

I thought you were talking about CASM costs.

 

[redflyer65]

Did I ever state anything about the MDW overrun? No. I said after getting slammed about the taxiway M incident that I could point out the Chevron event, which was in BUR. I didn't start that, I finished it.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Of course you didn't say anything about the MDW incident....

From the General (04/26/11)..

"AGAIN? Were they hurrying to make the ontime for the schedule? Did they only have 20 minutes until they had to push for CLE, and they were hungry? Jay Leno and others will have another field day on this."

Let me set the record straight here Gen..

Your trying to tell me that after OYS...err, I mean you..post that Southwest has even more codeshare with Volaris (which is totally false as it turns out) and you have a problem with people knowning that Delta is over staffed? Talk about irony.

I stated a couple of weeks ago that the DL second quarter results would still look bad, and could possibly lead to staff reductions. Less than two weeks later Anderson states that the operation is overstaffed due to high oil and low Asian demand. What part did I get wrong there?

This whole thread shows exactly how nervous you are about Delta's future. Understandable

Bye, bye.

RF

 

[pilotyip]

Did you factor in, paying for your seat?, a booking fee, paying to check bags, paying for pop/chips etc.. etc.. 2 bags eachway probably would cost you an extra $100. We are not the cheapest on many routes.

I thought you were talking about CASM costs.

don't pay any of those, but do like the 24 channels on Frontier. As you confirmed, you are no longer the low cost carrier, nothing wrong with that.

 

[General Lee]

Of course you didn't say anything about the MDW incident....

From the General (04/26/11)..

"AGAIN? Were they hurrying to make the ontime for the schedule? Did they only have 20 minutes until they had to push for CLE, and they were hungry? Jay Leno and others will have another field day on this."

Let me set the record straight here Gen..

Your trying to tell me that after OYS...err, I mean you..post that Southwest has even more codeshare with Volaris (which is totally false as it turns out) and you have a problem with people knowning that Delta is over staffed? Talk about irony.

I stated a couple of weeks ago that the DL second quarter results would still look bad, and could possibly lead to staff reductions. Less than two weeks later Anderson states that the operation is overstaffed due to high oil and low Asian demand. What part did I get wrong there?

This whole thread shows exactly how nervous you are about Delta's future. Understandable

Bye, bye.

RF

Lay off the dope Red. And the MDW incident involved a landing accident coming in from BWI, and went past the end of the runway. Do you remember that one? Re-read again what I said. Were they going on to CLE????? I think you are the one who is confused. I NEVER brought up the overrun at MDW, which is what I said. Did Jay Leno joke about an accident that killed a young boy? I don't think so. You keep opening your mouth (via the keyboard) and everything you say is WRONG.

Southwest INCREASED it's codeshare with Volaris. But, it was mainly on the Southwest side, adding more cities that could connect with the 2 Volaris flights out of MDW and LAS. Still, some of that should be done via you guys, or the more experienced INTL flyers at Airtran. That was my point. Again, over your head.

And, you haven't seen the Q2 numbers. You and everyone else can guess about losses, and knowing there was an earthquake and tsunami in Japan, I guess you can guess yourself that loads would be down. Staffing numbers though, are NOT down for any part of the flight Ops, including pilots and flight attendants. That was stressed by the VP of Flight Ops in last week's company memo and broadcast. Dalpa, though, thought that the pilots should have an option available, and the company agreed. Big difference, one that you still have trouble understanding. And didn't oil just go down 15%? Over $12 a barrel in 2 days? If the CEO's have it right, every $1 increase equals $100 million more in expenses. So, if it goes down $12, then that means a savings of $1.2 billion, especially if you keep the fare hikes in there. That sounds great. See, you are wrong.

And the only one between you and me who should be nervous right now is you. You have an SLI coming up that will most likely shock you after it comes out, and you may even contemplate coming to Delta. With the lack of retirements on your side per year, a raise larger than your payscale over here, and 2000 retirements in the next 5 years over here, I would think you would be getting that app of yours filled out for Delta. I think Bill Lumberg or OYS might give you a rec if you are nicer.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Yip- one route doesn't make the airline- and no one would say we hang our hat on DTW-ABQ. But what would those routes be if WN weren't there? The SW effect is a fairly well documented trait- fares from all airlines drop when southwest enters a market. They compete w/ us as we compete for the people who would drive or not go at all.

 

[pilotyip]

They compete w/ us as we compete for the people who would drive or not go at all.

Yes that was once the SWA mode, but now we read of going into non-traditional markets ATL, EWR, LGA. Why, they want more of the high margin business flyer, who often travels on short notice and pays the higher fare that the bus crowd, like my wife, won't pay. Again why, they are becoming a mature airline, where everyone is starting to max out the pay scale and they need more income maintain profits. They are doing a good job and offer many things other airlines do not. but they have moved away from their traditional market. Nothing wrong with that, but they are becoming more like a traditional airline everyday.

 

[redflyer65]

Nice spin General. I knew I could count on you to TRY and deflect and smoke screen. Overstaffed is overstaffed.


As far as passengers and fares with Southwest go, the two huge items that our passengers love are the no bag fees (more so for the leisure traveler), and the no change fee (which the business community absolutely loves). If a business meeting gets done early, they can come out and get on an earlier flight (if there is a seat) for free.

I can't tell you how many times I've been at a Delta gate and a passenger runs up for the earlier flight and the gate agent tell him 'that will cost you 250 dollars'. You should see the look on the passenger's face. Amazing customer service for sure.

 

[On Your Six]

Nice spin General. I knew I could count on you to TRY and deflect and smoke screen. Overstaffed is overstaffed.


As far as passengers and fares with Southwest go, the two huge items that our passengers love are the no bag fees (more so for the leisure traveler), and the no change fee (which the business community absolutely loves). If a business meeting gets done early, they can come out and get on an earlier flight (if there is a seat) for free.

I can't tell you how many times I've been at a Delta gate and a passenger runs up for the earlier flight and the gate agent tell him 'that will cost you 250 dollars'. You should see the look on the passenger's face. Amazing customer service for sure.

.

Yes, but what about all the "heavy" people and strippers that get kicked off your flights? What do their faces look like when told they need to get off the flight? Amazing customer service for sure. Ask director Kevin Smith.



OYS

 

[jhill]

Of course you didn't say anything about the MDW incident....

From the General (04/26/11)..

"AGAIN? Were they hurrying to make the ontime for the schedule? Did they only have 20 minutes until they had to push for CLE, and they were hungry? Jay Leno and others will have another field day on this."

Let me set the record straight here Gen..

Your trying to tell me that after OYS...err, I mean you..post that Southwest has even more codeshare with Volaris (which is totally false as it turns out) and you have a problem with people knowning that Delta is over staffed? Talk about irony.

I stated a couple of weeks ago that the DL second quarter results would still look bad, and could possibly lead to staff reductions. Less than two weeks later Anderson states that the operation is overstaffed due to high oil and low Asian demand. What part did I get wrong there?

This whole thread shows exactly how nervous you are about Delta's future. Understandable

Bye, bye.

RF

Does a Delta pilot really want to talk about crashes and mishaps? Not mentioning the fatal ones we could talk all day about landing at the wrong airports.

 

[redflyer65]

.

Ask director Kevin Smith.



OYS

The guy was so big he needed two seats, so what's your point again?

 

[On Your Six]

The guy was so big he needed two seats, so what's your point again?

He was already in the seat. He fit.


OYS

 

[redflyer65]

Did you see this guy beforehand? He just lost 65lbs and looks better.

From the AP press release..

'Both Smith and the airline acknowledged that he had bought two seats for his original flight from Oakland, where he had spoken at the Macworld Expo conference.'

So appearantly he knew he was big before he came to the airport. He tried to standby on a plane with one seat. Somehow he changed his mind to how big he really was when there was ONE seat left. Imagine that.

Your arguement doesn't hold water. The crew did the right thing.

RF

 

[On Your Six]

Did you see this guy beforehand? He just lost 65lbs and looks better.

From the AP press release..

'Both Smith and the airline acknowledged that he had bought two seats for his original flight from Oakland, where he had spoken at the Macworld Expo conference.'

So appearantly he knew he was big before he came to the airport. He tried to standby on a plane with one seat. Somehow he changed his mind to how big he really was when there was ONE seat left. Imagine that.

Your arguement doesn't hold water. The crew did the right thing.

RF

What everyone really wanted to know was why Smith even went on Southwest? I bet he won't ever again.


OYS

 

[redflyer65]

Yea, kinda like this recent Time article from Sept.


"But it starts with a lost bag — the black duffel Delta Airlines lost on my recent trip from Kansas City to New York City after a nightmarish day of travel: a canceled flight on a perfectly clear morning; a cumbersome rerouting through Atlanta; arrival at LaGuardia after 6 p.m., more than five hours late. When my bag failed to show up, I faced yet another missed connection: to the bus I needed to catch for the two-hour ride to my final destination. So rather than wait in line at the lost-luggage counter, I took a phone number to call in the report later. Which I did — only to be told sternly that lost-baggage reports cannot be taken over the phone, only in person at the airport.

This seemed patently unreasonable. Delta had put me through a lot of trouble: canceling a flight, adding five hours of flying time to my day, losing my luggage. All I asked was the same courtesy accorded any passenger whose bag was lost by the airline: its return free of charge. But after three calls to the baggage folks, the best I could do was get the bag tracked (it eventually made it to LaGuardia). I was told that I had to either pick it up myself at the airport or pay a hefty delivery charge. Three times I asked for a supervisor to whom I could make an appeal. Three times I was told the person I was talking to was a supervisor. (Big labor news: at Delta Airlines, everyone is a boss!) Finally, I asked for a customer-service number so I could lodge a complaint. That’s when I found out how the airlines really feel about customer service: Delta no longer has such a number. An unhappy passenger’s only recourse is to go to the website and write an e-mail."

Ouch.

 

[On Your Six]

Yea, kinda like this recent Time article from Sept.


"But it starts with a lost bag — the black duffel Delta Airlines lost on my recent trip from Kansas City to New York City after a nightmarish day of travel: a canceled flight on a perfectly clear morning; a cumbersome rerouting through Atlanta; arrival at LaGuardia after 6 p.m., more than five hours late. When my bag failed to show up, I faced yet another missed connection: to the bus I needed to catch for the two-hour ride to my final destination. So rather than wait in line at the lost-luggage counter, I took a phone number to call in the report later. Which I did — only to be told sternly that lost-baggage reports cannot be taken over the phone, only in person at the airport.

This seemed patently unreasonable. Delta had put me through a lot of trouble: canceling a flight, adding five hours of flying time to my day, losing my luggage. All I asked was the same courtesy accorded any passenger whose bag was lost by the airline: its return free of charge. But after three calls to the baggage folks, the best I could do was get the bag tracked (it eventually made it to LaGuardia). I was told that I had to either pick it up myself at the airport or pay a hefty delivery charge. Three times I asked for a supervisor to whom I could make an appeal. Three times I was told the person I was talking to was a supervisor. (Big labor news: at Delta Airlines, everyone is a boss!) Finally, I asked for a customer-service number so I could lodge a complaint. That’s when I found out how the airlines really feel about customer service: Delta no longer has such a number. An unhappy passenger’s only recourse is to go to the website and write an e-mail."

Ouch.

I guess I could pull up the articles about your airline kicking off women who look like hookers.(BUR-LAS anyone?) What I find most funny though is that you actually care about this stuff. Sure, I hope customer service is good, but I can't control it. Can you? Your flight attendants seem nice, but they aren't all young (DAL base), and that means some are grouchy. If the AT flight attendants aren't taken care of (money and rule wise) they may be cranky too. You and I just can't control that. I try to make sure they have a nice landing on my airbus, and I try to find smooth altitudes. I know that my airline made $1.8 billion last year, and that the planes are still full, and there is a chance at a full year profit for this year, even with all of the things going on. That's all I can hope for, and I try to fly smoothly. You seem to really be into customer service, like you want to be a flight attendant? Do you? You probably do hang out with them on those short layovers, and probably dance with them as a group. Do you slow dance with all of them? ALL of them? Good for you.


OYS

 

[stalker]

Wow oys I had no idea you were the owner of delta. "my airbus" and "my airline" shouldn't you be off tending to business, instead of posting your normal childish drivel here on FI?

 

[On Your Six]

Wow oys I had no idea you were the owner of delta. "my airbus" and "my airline" shouldn't you be off tending to business, instead of posting your normal childish drivel here on FI?

You think it is childish drivel because you are afraid of the result, a fair SLI. And yes, I did buy an A320 (model) and I own 23 shares of the airline I work for. So, YES, you are correct Sir. BTW, get over the fear of arbitration. It will happen.


OYS

 

[stalker]

I have 0 fear of arbitration. If you had half a clue as to whats going on, not what you assume is going on you would understand why there is no fear. You choose to assume you know while in actuality you have NO clue as to anything you blabber on about!