Does this offer look familiar to Southwest pilots? REDFLYER?

[General Lee]

Boeing made a engineering miscalculation in which our crews did a nice job getting it down.

On the other hand, your illustrious airline ran out of money and could not sustain itself if it paid its bills. So, therefore, yall furloughed, ripped off vendors, and gave your flying a way.

Hmmmmm, you are having a hard time understanding this..... Again for you, the reason I posted this thread was to show Redflyer that it happened to Southwest too, in 2004. If you want to recite history, then you can. Your Tuna Can incident was handled well, no doubt, but your hostility about a BK (which is allowed for anyone or any company by LAW) is troubling. BTW, most of those vendors were repaid with stock coming out of BK. Thanks for playing.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[pilotyip]

Lower costs then all but Allegiant, now that Tranny is owned. From a Pilot's view - Who pay would you want the most?

My view is that of a consumer, my wife travels to ABQ from DTW 6-7 times per year. Right now the trip for the first week of August is $430 RT SWA, $330 RT Frontier, $350 AAL, and DAL, plus a bunch more under $400, SWA is not the lowest cost carrier. Now they have a lot going for them , like no charge ticket changes, no baggage fees.

 

[SWA/FO]

My view is that of a consumer, my wife travels to ABQ from DTW 6-7 times per year. Right now the trip for the first week of August is $430 RT SWA, $330 RT Frontier, $350 AAL, and DAL, plus a bunch more under $400, SWA is not the lowest cost carrier. Now they have a lot going for them , like no charge ticket changes, no baggage fees.

Did you factor in, paying for your seat?, a booking fee, paying to check bags, paying for pop/chips etc.. etc.. 2 bags eachway probably would cost you an extra $100. We are not the cheapest on many routes.

I thought you were talking about CASM costs.

 

[redflyer65]

Did I ever state anything about the MDW overrun? No. I said after getting slammed about the taxiway M incident that I could point out the Chevron event, which was in BUR. I didn't start that, I finished it.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Of course you didn't say anything about the MDW incident....

From the General (04/26/11)..

"AGAIN? Were they hurrying to make the ontime for the schedule? Did they only have 20 minutes until they had to push for CLE, and they were hungry? Jay Leno and others will have another field day on this."

Let me set the record straight here Gen..

Your trying to tell me that after OYS...err, I mean you..post that Southwest has even more codeshare with Volaris (which is totally false as it turns out) and you have a problem with people knowning that Delta is over staffed? Talk about irony.

I stated a couple of weeks ago that the DL second quarter results would still look bad, and could possibly lead to staff reductions. Less than two weeks later Anderson states that the operation is overstaffed due to high oil and low Asian demand. What part did I get wrong there?

This whole thread shows exactly how nervous you are about Delta's future. Understandable

Bye, bye.

RF

 

[pilotyip]

Did you factor in, paying for your seat?, a booking fee, paying to check bags, paying for pop/chips etc.. etc.. 2 bags eachway probably would cost you an extra $100. We are not the cheapest on many routes.

I thought you were talking about CASM costs.

don't pay any of those, but do like the 24 channels on Frontier. As you confirmed, you are no longer the low cost carrier, nothing wrong with that.

 

[General Lee]

Of course you didn't say anything about the MDW incident....

From the General (04/26/11)..

"AGAIN? Were they hurrying to make the ontime for the schedule? Did they only have 20 minutes until they had to push for CLE, and they were hungry? Jay Leno and others will have another field day on this."

Let me set the record straight here Gen..

Your trying to tell me that after OYS...err, I mean you..post that Southwest has even more codeshare with Volaris (which is totally false as it turns out) and you have a problem with people knowning that Delta is over staffed? Talk about irony.

I stated a couple of weeks ago that the DL second quarter results would still look bad, and could possibly lead to staff reductions. Less than two weeks later Anderson states that the operation is overstaffed due to high oil and low Asian demand. What part did I get wrong there?

This whole thread shows exactly how nervous you are about Delta's future. Understandable

Bye, bye.

RF

Lay off the dope Red. And the MDW incident involved a landing accident coming in from BWI, and went past the end of the runway. Do you remember that one? Re-read again what I said. Were they going on to CLE????? I think you are the one who is confused. I NEVER brought up the overrun at MDW, which is what I said. Did Jay Leno joke about an accident that killed a young boy? I don't think so. You keep opening your mouth (via the keyboard) and everything you say is WRONG.

Southwest INCREASED it's codeshare with Volaris. But, it was mainly on the Southwest side, adding more cities that could connect with the 2 Volaris flights out of MDW and LAS. Still, some of that should be done via you guys, or the more experienced INTL flyers at Airtran. That was my point. Again, over your head.

And, you haven't seen the Q2 numbers. You and everyone else can guess about losses, and knowing there was an earthquake and tsunami in Japan, I guess you can guess yourself that loads would be down. Staffing numbers though, are NOT down for any part of the flight Ops, including pilots and flight attendants. That was stressed by the VP of Flight Ops in last week's company memo and broadcast. Dalpa, though, thought that the pilots should have an option available, and the company agreed. Big difference, one that you still have trouble understanding. And didn't oil just go down 15%? Over $12 a barrel in 2 days? If the CEO's have it right, every $1 increase equals $100 million more in expenses. So, if it goes down $12, then that means a savings of $1.2 billion, especially if you keep the fare hikes in there. That sounds great. See, you are wrong.

And the only one between you and me who should be nervous right now is you. You have an SLI coming up that will most likely shock you after it comes out, and you may even contemplate coming to Delta. With the lack of retirements on your side per year, a raise larger than your payscale over here, and 2000 retirements in the next 5 years over here, I would think you would be getting that app of yours filled out for Delta. I think Bill Lumberg or OYS might give you a rec if you are nicer.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Yip- one route doesn't make the airline- and no one would say we hang our hat on DTW-ABQ. But what would those routes be if WN weren't there? The SW effect is a fairly well documented trait- fares from all airlines drop when southwest enters a market. They compete w/ us as we compete for the people who would drive or not go at all.

 

[pilotyip]

They compete w/ us as we compete for the people who would drive or not go at all.

Yes that was once the SWA mode, but now we read of going into non-traditional markets ATL, EWR, LGA. Why, they want more of the high margin business flyer, who often travels on short notice and pays the higher fare that the bus crowd, like my wife, won't pay. Again why, they are becoming a mature airline, where everyone is starting to max out the pay scale and they need more income maintain profits. They are doing a good job and offer many things other airlines do not. but they have moved away from their traditional market. Nothing wrong with that, but they are becoming more like a traditional airline everyday.

 

[redflyer65]

Nice spin General. I knew I could count on you to TRY and deflect and smoke screen. Overstaffed is overstaffed.


As far as passengers and fares with Southwest go, the two huge items that our passengers love are the no bag fees (more so for the leisure traveler), and the no change fee (which the business community absolutely loves). If a business meeting gets done early, they can come out and get on an earlier flight (if there is a seat) for free.

I can't tell you how many times I've been at a Delta gate and a passenger runs up for the earlier flight and the gate agent tell him 'that will cost you 250 dollars'. You should see the look on the passenger's face. Amazing customer service for sure.

 

[On Your Six]

Nice spin General. I knew I could count on you to TRY and deflect and smoke screen. Overstaffed is overstaffed.


As far as passengers and fares with Southwest go, the two huge items that our passengers love are the no bag fees (more so for the leisure traveler), and the no change fee (which the business community absolutely loves). If a business meeting gets done early, they can come out and get on an earlier flight (if there is a seat) for free.

I can't tell you how many times I've been at a Delta gate and a passenger runs up for the earlier flight and the gate agent tell him 'that will cost you 250 dollars'. You should see the look on the passenger's face. Amazing customer service for sure.

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Yes, but what about all the "heavy" people and strippers that get kicked off your flights? What do their faces look like when told they need to get off the flight? Amazing customer service for sure. Ask director Kevin Smith.



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