Nevets,
You know, I don't wish to put you down, but why do you care? I finally agree with siucavflight in that it really doesn't effect you.
I've already answered that question on this very thread. Here is what I said:
"Here is how it can affect us all. I have no doubt that if Skywest votes for ALPA, they will have the industry leading contract in wages, work rules, and retirement. If they raise the bar, it makes it easier for the next guy to raise the bar.
Even the FedEx guys that were at the ALPA drive in LAX were saying that if Skywest can raise the bar, the will raise it to such a level where even the majors will start looking at them to raise the lower end of their bar. And that helps the next major that is going to into section 6 negotiations. These were FedEx guys who are at the top of the industry mind you."
You have to look at the big picture here. This is what I'm trying to do. For people to look just a little bit beyond themselves. This is the mentality that I'm trying to get you guys/gals away from.
I come to this board and see all these posts by 'others'. Now you say we compare ourselves to the ones having a hard time. Indeed we do. Then you mention some others, as though those guys are much better,
I never said that. BigHangar said that.
well....just because your management at Express Jet gave you this 'great' contract, remember too that at the time you guys were the big of big to CA. Now that you are not, and your management had to open up to Delta and your own branded flying, do you think your contract will last? I don't. And not because I think Express Jet or your management sucks, but because ExJ has entered a new realm.
Let me be clear on this. Our management didn't give us anything! We negotiated what we have! I guess this is what you don't understand.
But since you brought it up, let me point to you some information. CAL decided they were going to release 25% of the aircraft from the CPA on December 28, 2005. Shortly thereafter, management came to us wanting a contract extension (original amendment date of December 2008 extended to December 2010). To provide assurances to potential customers. From LOA 8 we got:
o Total yearly pay rate increase for almost all pilots of 5.75% beginning on December 1, 2008 (2.75%
increase on December 1, 2008, plus 3.0% longevity increase on anniversary of employment, but slightly
less for a few anniversary years).
o Total yearly pay rates increase of 6.0 % for almost all pilots beginning on December 1, 2009 (3%
increase on December 1, 2009, plus 3.0% longevity increase on anniversary of employment, but slightly
less for a few anniversary years).
o Per Diem increases to $1.75 on December 1, 2008.
o Per Diem increases to $1.80 on December 1, 2009.
• Establishes earlier openings for Section 6 negotiations, from 3-4 months prior to the amendable date to 6-7
months prior to the amendable date.
• Establishes a “preliminary” vacancy bid between 6 and 9 days after the opening of the bid window to allow
pilots to see what they might be awarded.
• Prevents line holders from having days off from being adjusted to below minimum during transition periods.
• Reduces a maximum duty day for RA days from 15.5 hours to 13.5 hours, including phone availability.
• Allows crews to deadhead home or to the hotel earlier than originally scheduled, if seats are available and
the entire crew travels together.
• Trip verification by pilots, online and by telephone, is cancelled.
• Allows pilots who meet commuter policy requirements to pick up their trip the next time it transits their
domicile.
• Establishes that the Company will post SWAP entry and exit information on CCS.
• Establishes that Airport Standby will not be awarded to a reserve on the last day of his block of duty days.
• Establishes an aggressive pickup window (APW) for reserves.
• Establishes between 5-10% of short call lines as “floating reserve” lines with 13 days off in a 30-day bid
period and 14 days off in a 31-day bid period.
• Establishes Bad-day/Worse-day trade provision for reserves.
• Provides additional time for trip pickup by lineholders by reducing reserve ownership from 18 hours to 15
hours for long-call reserves and from 12 hours to 9 hours for short-call reserves.
• Provides compensation at line pilot rates plus an $18 per hour override, with a 90 hour minimum monthly
guarantee (MMG) for all charter pilots.
• Establishes a daily rate of 5.5 hours, to include the $18 per hour override.
• Provides the same per diem as for line pilots.
• Pilots in the Charter Pool will bid into charter operations in four-bid-period blocks at a time, and will be
awarded by system seniority.
• Once in charter operations, pilots cannot be displaced unless staffing is reduced or by Company removal for
cause.
• The first bid period (Jan-Mar. ’07 line bid periods) will have specific vacancies at some or all of the three
existing domiciles.
• Beginning April 1, 2007, charter pilots will establish a “home-base” airport from which they will originate
and terminate trips, based on criteria in the charter provisions.
o Beginning with the second bid period (May-Aug. ’07 line bid periods), charter vacancies will not have a
specific location or be at domiciles.
o At the end of a 4-bid-period block, charter pilots may elect to return to the line or remain in charter
operations.
• Charter pilots have a minimum of 14 days off.
• Show time on the first day of a block of duty days is NET 0400 LT at the charter pilot’s origination airport.
• Charter pilots will be scheduled to return to their origination airport NLT 2359 LT on the last day of a block
of duty days. If they arrive after 0400 LT the day after, they will be paid 150% of their daily pay (including
override).
• Charter pilots can pick up trips in open time on days off or during vacation in charter operations if:
So you can see that despite CAL release of our aircraft we got an increase in pay rates and per diem, better work rules and QOL, comparable pay rates and work rules to Netjets for our charter guys/gals. None of this could have been possible without ALPA. If ALPA wouldn't have been here, the company would have been obligated to do anything since there was no contract to begin with. By the way, the only thing we gave up on this deal, a two year extension to an industry leading contract! And all this with only a few months of negotiating.
It is funny how alot of ALPA carrier pilots are on this wagon, wishing we would join them. Honestly, how many are happy? Why would we want what you have? You (I mean all who come here to complain about their lives) think that that is a good argument? Look at other posts people leave behind about their own company and you will also see their misery. Sorry, it is not that bad here and I don't want to see itbecome like everywhere else. I would like to see a bigger piece of the pie, but you know, I didn't get furloughed after 9/11. This pie allowed me to keep my job, unlike others who's management had to let them. go. How easy people forget. Things are not perfect here, but you know I still like it and I know that many do too. I hear all the time on this board how these young pilot's option, who were at other airlines and came here, is junk because they only spent a year or two at an ALPA carrier. But you know, they are happier here. You can't refute that. And this crap about well SkYW pilots don't want to give up their early upgrade. Now be serious! I know not one of you, thou holier than thou type, that are out there would turn down an upgrade.
Look, no one can make everybody happy. Especially pilots. And I'll be the first one to tell you that ALPA isn't perfect. But that doesn't prevent ALPA from being able to make where things "are not that bad here" to being the indisputable best regional to work for. I don't want it to become like Horizon, Air Wisconsin, or even XJT. I would like it to be ten times better than any of those places.
You didn't get furloughed but the pilots that did wasn't because of ALPA. As a matter of fact, ALPA helped furloughed XJT pilots get jobs at Skywest and helped Indy Air guys get jobs at XJT. That is what ALPA does. If people do get furloughed, they try to work out deals for them to find jobs at other places. Is Skywest going to do that if they furlough you? It doesn't matter where you work as far as predicting furloughs because it can happen anywhere.
As far as upgrades, they vary from airline to airline. There are some bad ones with fast upgrades and some good ones with fast upgrades as well. But it can change tomorrow. Lets face it, you wont know if we made the right decision on who to work for until the day after we retire. So its a moot argument.
You are pissed because you made the wrong choice and went somewhere else.
Wrong! I actually answered this question previously on this thread as well. Here is what I said, "Oh yeah, I'm very happy here. It was actually choice 3 out of 3 for regionals. But now I'm glad this is where I am instead of the other two places."
Knowing what I know now, if I had to do it over again, I would choose XJT again. Again, we don't know until the day after retirement so my opinion may change on that day.