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Does anyone know what the UAL min reqs will be?

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If you are going to start the ridiculous Military vs. civil debate you should consider this.......
Back in the 90's Delta went through a rash of accidents and incidents far greater than any other airline. They had numerous incidents of landing on the wrong airport, a L1011 lost an engine and the crew shut down the wrong engine and came within a 150" of the Pacific Ocean, they had another L1011 fly into a thunderstorm on landing and crash, and the list is longer than that.
Because they had so many more problems than other airlines they were very closely scrutinized by the FAA. Their official conclusion was the reason they had so many incidents was due to the fact that DAL had hired so many pilots with a single pilot only background and they were lacking in multiple crewmember ops.
After extensive observation it was noted that they had poor crew coordination and this is what led to the numerous operational problems. The fix was extensive CRM training for the DAL pilots.
In other words guys, too many fighter pilots who weren't working well as a crew.
Now before you go nuts on me, military pilots are just as good as high time civilian pilots, the high time RJ pilots generally have outstanding instrument flying skills that are the best in business, the ex military pilots are generally very quick learners with great technology skills. I've flown with 1000's of pilots over the years and one is not better than the other. Once you get with an airline, there really is no difference relative to background. I've seen ex fighter pilots that are as good as it gets and the same for ex civilian pilots. What does make a difference is attitude. The cocky ones who think they come from a superior background ironically enough generally turn out to be the weak ones, whether that be civil or military.
 
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I think its funny that having 1500 hours of Military trainer/jet/Prop would be more desirable than that of an airline pilot that has been flying passengers for 10-15 years.

Actually, they have a valid point. There are some legacy airlines (that will go unnamed), who truly believe that the more hours a pilot has (especially at or above 10k), and when they've been a CA that long, that they will be un-moldable as a newhire FO at the said legacy. Something about being already set in your ways, and teaching new tricks to old die-hard dogs.
 
After some experience with the CRM training, it was generally agreed that those who took it to heart were those who didn't need it in the first place, and those who lacked such skills wouldn't learn them in a hundred years of classes. :rolleyes:
 
After some experience with the CRM training, it was generally agreed that those who took it to heart were those who didn't need it in the first place, and those who lacked such skills wouldn't learn them in a hundred years of classes. :rolleyes:

That seems to pretty universal in this business. The one's who have the rep for the worst CRM are the ones who protest CRM training the most. Kind of like the guys who think their background makes them superior to other pilots are often the weakest pilots.
 
I heard it was going to be 350hrs and a Commercial License with instrument rating for civilian trained white males who wear glasses and have so-so college grades because they have been discriminated against for so long..
 
I heard it was going to be 350hrs and a Commercial License with instrument rating for civilian trained white males who wear glasses and have so-so college grades because they have been discriminated against for so long..

..... ha!
 
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..... ha!


It doesn't seem so far fetched. After all, it would benefit those who weren't directly affected during the last hiring cycle. AND, after years of no hiring at the majors, there are probably oodles of highly qualified minorities that they could choose from; minorities whose experience far exceeds the experience of those hired in the sixties and even most of those hired in the 80s & 90s.

I think it's high time for a high time minority pilot with a clean record to feel the pain. What goes around should come around.
 
It doesn't seem so far fetched. After all, it would benefit those who weren't directly affected during the last hiring cycle. AND, after years of no hiring at the majors, there are probably oodles of highly qualified minorities that they could choose from; minorities whose experience far exceeds the experience of those hired in the sixties and even most of those hired in the 80s & 90s.

I think it's high time for a high time minority pilot with a clean record to feel the pain. What goes around should come around.

ahhhh, the 'ol, "The only reason I didn't get hired was because a lesser qualified minority was hired" excuse. Have fun living your life rationalizing why you continually fail. It IS the american way.
 
ahhhh, the 'ol, "The only reason I didn't get hired was because a lesser qualified minority was hired" excuse. Have fun living your life rationalizing why you continually fail. It IS the american way.

Agreed, this argument really gets old after a while.
 
Agreed, this argument really gets old after a while.


And yet tragically it's true. If we are to truly tear down the walls of inequality, there would be no hiring quotas for any group. Everyone would apply from the same pile of resumes.

Back to the OPs questions, save yourself the frustration and try for HA, AL, and DL before UA. You'll be happier throughout your career.
 
And yet tragically it's true. If we are to truly tear down the walls of inequality, there would be no hiring quotas for any group. Everyone would apply from the same pile of resumes.

Back to the OPs questions, save yourself the frustration and try for HA, AL, and DL before UA. You'll be happier throughout your career.

Yeah, its true. The scores of minority and woman pilots I routinely see in crewrooms and online is overwhelming. There taking over all the airlines, insert sarcasm. GMAB!

PS. I happen to be one.
 
I heard it was going to be 350hrs and a Commercial License with instrument rating for civilian trained white males who wear glasses and have so-so college grades because they have been discriminated against for so long..


You're right. Being a white male in America (or anywhere else in the world for that matter) is soooooo hard..

Reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg48ZZ2wYfM
 
You're right. Being a white male in America (or anywhere else in the world for that matter) is soooooo hard..

Reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg48ZZ2wYfM

Haha totally true!

The whining (unjustified) by those that think only minorities are being hired can just ask the composition of most new hire classes at a major airline.

All white guys with one or two women or minorities.

Another phantom conspiracy from the usual whack jobs! :)
 
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quit b1tchin' and stick it to the Man!

One of the purposes of having such 'low' mins is to allow military guys, especially fighter and trainer guys where 1,500 hours is about what they'll leave with after their 10-year hitch.
Here we go: Military vs. Civilian

If you are going to start the ridiculous Military vs. civil debate you should consider this.......
Back in the 90's Delta went through a rash of accidents and incidents far greater than any other airline. They had numerous incidents of landing on the wrong airport, a L1011 .....
It was Delta then, FedEx now..

I heard it was going to be 350hrs and a Commercial License with instrument rating for civilian trained white males who wear glasses and have so-so college grades because they have been discriminated against for so long
Don't forget pilots who were too tall or too short or who whistled through their nostrils. They need their shot at the majors.

I think it's high time for a high time minority pilot with a clean record to feel the pain. What goes around should come around.
Fat chance that's going to happen. What a sadistic fantasy.

Military vs. Civilian, what does it matter? I liked the post that said, once you're in, it doesn't matter where you came from. And who says minorities can't fly? Instead of dumb arguments about who's got the best background, and who got shafted when someone "less qualified" gets hired; ask yourselves who benefits from this discord among pilots? It's the MAN! He can't stand pilots who get along and aren't willing to stab each other in the back. They'll never work for food stamps.

That's a fact!
 

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