Does anyone know what airlines are all about

flying zephyr

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To change a phrase made famous by Charlie Brown, just curious if anyone in the Majors is even aware what is happening at Midwest and although it is too late for us maybe taking a hard look at your own contracts and labor situations. I hope to God that I am wrong, but I am sure that with Delta and NWA pulling the strings that they will try to use what is happening for a template for future negotiations. Don't be fooled, they are only looking to line their pockets with bonuses derived from your pockets and qol. Good luck to all, the grim reaper has come for MEH as we know it and for my career.
 

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It sucks, but buck up!

To change a phrase made famous by Charlie Brown, just curious if anyone in the Majors is even aware what is happening at Midwest and although it is too late for us maybe taking a hard look at your own contracts and labor situations. I hope to God that I am wrong, but I am sure that with Delta and NWA pulling the strings that they will try to use what is happening for a template for future negotiations. Don't be fooled, they are only looking to line their pockets with bonuses derived from your pockets and qol. Good luck to all, the grim reaper has come for MEH as we know it and for my career.
Bizness is Bizness in this country. The MEH model, while enjoyable as a consumer, was not sustainable as a bizness or it would still be in operation. It's not personal, it has happened to all in this industry. Eventually we'll all work for SWA, so you might as well take this orderly shutdown of your employer as a time to look for your next phase of your career.
It could be worse, MEH could have been bought by Airtran, or you could have shown up for work and the company was done on one day like Indy air. You've got your health and youth, time to add a page to your scrapbook and move on.
Managers are supposed to run companies as efficient as possible, what some managers fail to see as that screwing employees for a $1 may cost them $10 instead. Enjoy you life!
 

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To change a phrase made famous by Charlie Brown, just curious if anyone in the Majors is even aware what is happening at Midwest and although it is too late for us maybe taking a hard look at your own contracts and labor situations. I hope to God that I am wrong, but I am sure that with Delta and NWA pulling the strings that they will try to use what is happening for a template for future negotiations. Don't be fooled, they are only looking to line their pockets with bonuses derived from your pockets and qol. Good luck to all, the grim reaper has come for MEH as we know it and for my career.
Zephyr its good to see that at least some of us are noticing and realizing that this could turn into a bigger dilema than its seems for all of us. Medex should be a lessoned learned by all of those willing to pay attention.
 

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A mouse looked through the crack in the wall to see the farmer and his wife open a package. "What food might this contain?" the mouse wondered. He was devastated to discover it was a mousetrap.


Retreating to the farmyard, the mouse proclaimed the warning: "There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!"


The chicken clucked and scratched, raised her head and said, "Mr. Mouse, I can tell this is a grave concern to you, but it is of no consequence to me. I cannot be bothered by it."


The mouse turned to the pig and told him, "There is a mousetrap in the
house! There is a mousetrap in the house!" The pig sympathized, but said, "I am so very sorry, Mr. Mouse, but there is nothing I can do about it but pray. Be assured you are in my prayers."


The mouse turned to the cow and said, "There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!"


The cow said, "Wow, Mr. Mouse. I'm sorry for you, but it's no skin off my nose."


So, the mouse returned to the house, head down and dejected, to face the farmer's mousetrap alone.


That very night a sound was heard throughout the house -- like the sound of a mousetrap catching its prey.


The farmer's wife rushed to see what was caught. In the darkness, she did not see it was a venomous snake whose tail the trap had caught.


The snake bit the farmer's wife. The farmer rushed her to the hospital, and she returned home with a fever. Everyone knows you treat a fever with fresh chicken soup, so the farmer took his hatchet to the farmyard for the soup's main ingredient.


But his wife's sickness continued, so friends and neighbors came to sit with her around the clock. To feed them, the farmer butchered the pig.


The farmer's wife did not get well; she died. So many people came for her funeral, the farmer had the cow slaughtered to provide enough meat for all of them.


The mouse looked upon it all from his crack in the wall with great sadness.


So, the next time you hear someone is facing a problem and think it doesn't concern you, remember -- when one of us is threatened, we are all at risk.


We are all involved in this journey called life. We must keep an eye out for one another and make an extra effort to encourage one another.
 

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Good story.
 

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Zephyr it's time we move on

This is my third furlough from the Huckster. I'm kickin myself in the arse for not getting out while things were good in the last couple years. I was always thinking that Hucky's age would have him retire soon and someone would come in and do something with a good brand. We should be the size of Jet Blue or more.
The final chapter of this place is still yet to be reveiled. I wouldn't be surprised if the next group of angry pilots in this mess is the DAL/NWA group. I hope you guys have a rock solid scope.
As for us, Zephyr, it's time to get LUVed. Go get a govt paid 737 type and put your stuff in at Netjets. Those are the top 2 gigs still hiring.
 

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Good story.
Oh come on! Looking out for each other? That's not the American way! The best we can do is set a good example for those who are less fortunate than us to aspire to.

That mouse was a freakin' pinko liberal.

The rest of those animals got it in the end, but right up until it, they were exemplifying the American way: my windfalls are mine, and your troubles are yours. Until your troubles are mine and you're getting the windfalls I think I deserve, then it's time for a govt. bail-out.
 

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On a lake swam a swan. At the edge of the lake sat a scorpion. The scorpion called over to the swan.

"I need to get to the other side would you let me ride on your back?"

"You are a scorpion, if I let you on my back you will sting me."

"If I stung you then we would both die for I cannot swim"

The swan thought that was a good point and gave the scorpion a ride. During the journey, the scorpion stung the swan and the swan started to die.

"Why did you sting me? Now we are both going to die", said the swan.

"Because I am a scorpion and that is what I do."

Welcome to corporate business in the Divided States of America.
 

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No,no,no....That Story has a Frog and a Spider.

When they get to the other side, THEN, the Spider bites the Frog (who dies )....and then he goes on his merry way.

"Gee, if you take a 15% pay cut, I think we ALL will make it."

IT'S WHAT THEY DO.

IF....YOU all, are stupid enough to let them.

YKMKR
 

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If I had kids this would be a great source for good night stories :laugh:.
 

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Disclaimer: If I were smart, I'd have gotten my 737 type in 1987 and bought doughnuts everyday for the SWA PHX CP until I got hired.

Now, none of us has a crystal ball. I KNEW the Midwest pilots were making a mistake by not embracing the offer from AirTran.

But, then again, I thought AA buying TWA would provide job security for me until I retired... :( Oops.

If anyone can GUARANTEE going to SWA will ensure a comfortable career from here on out, please raise your hand.

There are no guarantees in this business. All you can do is mentally and financially prepare yourself for the next screwing coming down the pike. Good luck to all. TC
 

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Bizness is Bizness in this country. The MEH model, while enjoyable as a consumer, was not sustainable as a bizness or it would still be in operation.
Untrue. The MEH model was quite sustainable, until it was discarded for the "Saver" white trash transportation program, which precipitated the beginning of the end.

Eventually we'll all work for SWA,
Untrue.

It could be worse, MEH could have been bought by Airtran,
Untrue. Under any likely scenario, many more MEH pilots would still be employed if Airtran had prevailed.
 

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No,no,no....That Story has a Frog and a Spider.

When they get to the other side, THEN, the Spider bites the Frog (who dies )....and then he goes on his merry way.
The version I heard was told by Forrest Whitaker in The Crying Game. It was a frog and a scorpion. The scorpion stung in mid-stream, killing the frog, but ironically drowning himself too.

From IMDB: "...and as they both sink beneath the waves, the frog cries out, "Why did you sting me, Mr. Scorpion? For now we both will drown!" Scorpion replies, "I can't help it. It's in my nature!"

That dialog was the best part of an otherwise mediocre movie.

And the parallel with airline management and labor is obvious: happy pilots (and other rank-and-file workers) are good for the bottom line. But most airline management can't help themselves. It's in their nature to nickle-and-dime us instead of their business models.
 
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Your right of course.....

Untrue. The MEH model was quite sustainable, until it was discarded for the "Saver" white trash transportation program, which precipitated the beginning of the end.



Untrue.



Untrue. Under any likely scenario, many more MEH pilots would still be employed if Airtran had prevailed.
Unfortunately you didn't see the sarcasm. Of course more pilots would be working if Airtran had come in there, of course we all won't work for SWA, but having a business class airline based out of Milwaukee was probably a long term long shot from the beginning. That part of the country seems to be in some of the biggest malaise, besides it's cold up there.
Fly Safe, it's not personal, it's business and almost all pilots have no control over it.
 

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When I first starting flying jets, I asked the same question to an older, well seasoned captain. "Hey Dave," I sez.... "What's the secret to success in this Airline biz?" He replied to me "Son, the Airline biz is nothing more that three big piles of Shat.
You have a big steamin pile of cowshat.
You have a smaller pile of warm dogshat
You have a small pile of cold, wet catshat.
When the door opens, run right over to the big pile of cowshat and dig right in cause if you wait, soon it will be all gone, along with the warm dogshat, and all you're left with is the cold pile of wet catshat. He rather enjoyed the bewildered look on my face, and went on to explain that the last guy out the door of a failing airline winds up with the 3rd pile.
 
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