Do we have our rigs at ASA yet?

[FishandFly]

Are they implemented FEB 1 like the contract schedule says?

 

[777forever]

yup no rigs til FEB

 

[FishandFly]

Does anyone else have the same issue with numerous days in your line that don't reflect a 3:45 minimum day credit?

One day has it applied with a notation of AWD, but none of the others do.

 

[FishandFly]

To answer my own question, etrip takes it all into account correctly by my quick math, but flica does not.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Rigs start Jan 31 actually

 

[79%N1]

What about the Open Time system, and reserve buckets? Haven't seen anything about the implementation of this stuff, and it is a week away from "implementation".

 

[Airboss]

E-trip has all the credits correct for Feb except for the naps. If your nap was worth 2 hours of block and 14 hours long, it currently credits you 3.75 not 8 hours.

 

[asayankee]

Rigs start Jan 31 actually

Not necessarily true. It only counts for Jan 31 trips that were part of the January bid cycle. If you have a trip that was bid in December for your January schedule, and it carries over into "February" (beginning on Jan 31) the rigs DO NOT apply.

 

[sweptback]

Not necessarily true. It only counts for Jan 31 trips that were part of the January bid cycle. If you have a trip that was bid in December for your January schedule, and it carries over into "February" (beginning on Jan 31) the rigs DO NOT apply.

I think that only applies in one circumstance, if you start a nap on the 30th and it carries over into the 31st. At least you will get premium for it.

If you're in the middle of a 4-day, I bet it does work with the 30th being premium and the 31st being rigs.

 

[asayankee]

I think that only applies in one circumstance, if you start a nap on the 30th and it carries over into the 31st. At least you will get premium for it.

If you're in the middle of a 4-day, I bet it does work with the 30th being premium and the 31st being rigs.

Not correct. I have a 3-day that carries into February. The last day has one leg which is under 3:45. Etrip does NOT show me getting the min day credit. The implementation letter states "January bid cycle". This trip was part of the December bid cycle to be flown in January (it happened to carry into Feb). That's what I'm thinking anyway

 

[SiuDude]

What about the Open Time system, and reserve buckets? Haven't seen anything about the implementation of this stuff, and it is a week away from "implementation".

Daily open time bidding opens at midnight tonight. I don't think that reserve buckets start until March or April.

 

[FishandFly]

Will it still close each day at 6 (or whenever it closes?)

 

[JoeMerchant]

I think that only applies in one circumstance, if you start a nap on the 30th and it carries over into the 31st. At least you will get premium for it.

If you're in the middle of a 4-day, I bet it does work with the 30th being premium and the 31st being rigs.

.....since your on the "inside" and involved in implementation, when is this info going to be put out? What was the reason for giving the company a pass on the naps for the 31st?....

 

[Cpt Oveur]

.....since your on the "inside" and involved in implementation, when is this info going to be put out? What was the reason for giving the company a pass on the naps for the 31st?....

I agree with Joe, something needs to be said about how the company was given free passes at some of this stuff. What did the pilots get in exchange for giving up 24 hour open time that was supposed to go in effect on 17 December?

 

[SiuDude]

Will it still close each day at 6 (or whenever it closes?)

Closes at noon.

 

[sweptback]

.....since your on the "inside" and involved in implementation, when is this info going to be put out? What was the reason for giving the company a pass on the naps for the 31st?....

I'm most likely not who you think I am (not involved in that at all). But the weekly emails usually go out on Fridays... I imagine it will be covered...

I basically got my information by the post on the ALPA board, FWIW.

 

[sweptback]

Not correct. I have a 3-day that carries into February. The last day has one leg which is under 3:45. Etrip does NOT show me getting the min day credit. The implementation letter states "January bid cycle". This trip was part of the December bid cycle to be flown in January (it happened to carry into Feb). That's what I'm thinking anyway

My line for next month does not reflect the min day credit on Etrip yet. Sounds like they still have some more work to do.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I'm most likely not who you think I am (not involved in implementation at all). But the weekly emails usually go out on Fridays... I imagine it will be covered...

.....don't suppose it was too much to ask to put it out sooner....... when there was still time to plan on it..... Did we get anything for it? Probably not...............

 

[sweptback]

.....don't suppose it was too much to ask to put it out sooner....... when there was still time to plan on it..... Did we get anything for it? Probably not...............

I don't know, I don't speak for those guys, but they probably didn't put it out because it wasn't resolved yet! Better to wait and put out accurate info than to put out something wrong...

So sorry you lost your 7 hours of pay or whatever, but this isn't all about just you, I'm sure you'll be just fine. What would you do to "plan on it" anyway? Not bid naps?

 

[79%N1]

Daily open time bidding opens at midnight tonight. I don't think that reserve buckets start until March or April.

So you are telling me that the new open time system starts tonight.....and not ONE WORD of information has come out from either side on how this works? Where do we go to do this? I thought the company needed time to develope this new software system. Is anybody going to tell us how this works?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I don't know, I don't speak for those guys, but they probably didn't put it out because it wasn't resolved yet! Better to wait and put out accurate info than to put out something wrong...

So sorry you lost your 7 hours of pay or whatever, but this isn't all about just you, I'm sure you'll be just fine. What would you do to "plan on it" anyway? Not bid naps?

.....so we got something in exchange for it? By the way, it still isn't out............ are you saying that it isn't resolved yet? More excuses..... I can't think of one good reason that we gave this to them.....

....it was worth about 600 dollars.....excuse me for asking why we gave that up.... I'm sure you would be upset about giving up 600 dollars for no good reason.....

 

[SiuDude]

So you are telling me that the new open time system starts tonight.....and not ONE WORD of information has come out from either side on how this works? Where do we go to do this? I thought the company needed time to develope this new software system. Is anybody going to tell us how this works?

As far as I know, it will work just like the old system (i.e. through Flica). So much for needing time to develop the "new" system.

 

[79%N1]

Next question....where does it say in the contract that the bucket system starts in March or April. I cannot find it anywhere!

 

[scarlet]

Flica as always had that system. Flica can turn it on at anytime. Airtran uses Flica, and flica approves or deny the trip trade right then !!

Sch. section been done for 2.5 years ???

 

[79%N1]

EXACTLY!!!! So why did we have to wait from the Dec 17th as it was in the implementation schedule?!?!? What did the company give us in return for waiting 6 weeks? And, who is lying about having to wait for the software to be developed???

 

[John Pennekamp]

I agree with Joe, something needs to be said about how the company was given free passes at some of this stuff. What did the pilots get in exchange for giving up 24 hour open time that was supposed to go in effect on 17 December?

*crickets chirping...*

 

[sweptback]

I seem to remember the commuter clause starting a month early, as well as reserves getting their extra golden days a month early.

 

[wickedpilot]

Daily open time bidding opens at midnight tonight. I don't think that reserve buckets start until March or April.

Closes at noon.

opens at midnight and closes at noon??? WTF

 

[John Pennekamp]

What I'd really like to know is what we, the pilot group, received as compensation for postponing the rigs until Jan 31? Looking at the line award credits, we all got about 25 hours a month more than usual if a line holder. That's a nice chunk of change ALPA gave up (and saved the company) by letting them delay the rig implementation two months.

And it's not like they needed to re-work how they write lines. Feb looks like the same unproductive crap we've been doing.

So what's the story? Why is the MEC going soft on the company after 5+ years of posturing? I'm really beginning to wonder if we need some fresh air in the union.

 

[JoeMerchant]

What I'd really like to know is what we, the pilot group, received as compensation for postponing the rigs until Jan 31? Looking at the line award credits, we all got about 25 hours a month more than usual if a line holder. That's a nice chunk of change ALPA gave up (and saved the company) by letting them delay the rig implementation two months.

And it's not like they needed to re-work how they write lines. Feb looks like the same unproductive crap we've been doing.

So what's the story? Why is the MEC going soft on the company after 5+ years of posturing? I'm really beginning to wonder if we need some fresh air in the union.

.....that's the confusing part.....5+years of chest thumping "burn the house down".....then roll over on the little stuff.....To top it off it's 5 days before the 31st, and over 2 months since the signing, and still no official word on it.....