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Ahead of the Bell: Delta-NWA pilot seniority
Thursday October 2, 6:04 am ET Arbitration hearings begin over how to integrate Delta-NWA pilot seniority lists
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A three-member arbitration panel was to begin closed-door hearings to determine how to integrate the pilot seniority lists at Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp. after the two carriers combine.

Thursday's session was being held at a hotel near Los Angeles. It was to last until Sunday. The hearings were to continue Oct. 20-24 in Washington and then return to Los Angeles from Nov. 15-17.
Union officials said the hearings would be closed to the news media.

The two sides have been in a stalemate over how to integrate their seniority lists, though they have approved a joint collective bargaining agreement covering roughly 12,000 pilots.
Pilots value their seniority because it determines their schedule, the aircraft they fly and layoff protection.

The panel -- California labor attorney Fredric Horowitz, attorney Dana Eischen and veteran arbitrator Richard Bloch -- was being called on to resolve the seniority issue.

A written decision, which would be binding, is due by Nov. 20.

Horowitz and Bloch also served on an arbitration panel selected in 2006 to determine whether Delta, which was under bankruptcy protection at the time, could void its pilots' contract and impose pay and benefit cuts unilaterally. Delta's pilots union, which had threatened to strike, eventually agreed to concessions, and that panel never issued a ruling.

Those hearings, unlike the ones that begin Thursday, were open to the media. Atlanta-based Delta's stock-swap deal to acquire Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest, announced April 14, was given the go-ahead by shareholders of both companies on Sept. 25. It is still subject to regulatory approval. Delta is hoping to close the deal by the end of the year


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I think they got that wrong, I think it will be done now on Nov 21st, rather than the 20th. Also, unlike USAir, we have a joint contract now prior to the arbitration, and yes, I think some people will be unhappy, except the number 1 seniority pilot. I don't expect DOH or any major changes, though---I think it will be a combo of relative seniority and relative position. We shall see.




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Great. Richard (Dick) "Cock" Bloch. The same guy who ensured my 4 1/2 year vacation from DAL would stick.

Standing by for a butt reaming, arbitration-style.
 
I think they got that wrong, I think it will be done now on Nov 21st, rather than the 20th. Also, unlike USAir, we have a joint contract now prior to the arbitration, and yes, I think some people will be unhappy, except the number 1 seniority pilot. I don't expect DOH or any major changes, though---I think it will be a combo of relative seniority and relative position. We shall see.


You guys keep assuming it's going to be a "one size fits all" deal.

Nu
 
At least ya'll will have THREE arbitrators to whine about instead of only one.
 
You guys keep assuming it's going to be a "one size fits all" deal.

Nu

You guys think a "dynaminc list" will stick. No way. You have retirements coming up, and we do 5 years after that. It will all work out eventually.

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Bloch? You are so screwed.


He was our first choice, and we have dealt with him before. Dalpa got to choose 2 out of the 3 arbitrators. We'll see....


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DOH with protections for DL guys is the only fair solution.

Personally, if I have to start giving up seniority and bidding after someone who should be way junior to me, that will be sign that it's time to move on. Lots of cool things to do in this world that don't involve flying airplanes.
 
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DOH with protections for DL guys is the only fair solution.

Personally, if I have to start giving up seniority and bidding after someone who should be way junior to me that will be sign that it's time to move on. Lots of cool things to do in this world that don't involve flying airplanes.


DOH has never really happened in a merger, except when UAL took some Pan Am guys for the Asian ops they bought (primarily to keep those senior Pan Am pilots on those routes). Other than that, there never has been a DOH. What really is fair is Relative Seniority, which keeps you right about where you are now, in the new company. Throw in a little Relative position for certain planes, and a look at salaries, and it could look good. NWA guys may object to some of that, but they are keeping their frozen pensions (the top half anyway I guess), and they will be losing more planes before we will.

Regardless, welcome aboard.


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What really is fair is Relative Seniority, which keeps you right about where you are now, in the new company.


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It's not all only about where we at NWA are now but where we would have finished. In my case, it was in the top 5%. Doubt that would be the case if we start straying too far away from DOH.

Welcome onboard the "New" Delta to you as well.
 
Who gives a ******************** how the integration goes. Remember, the NW guys don't want any of those DL bases and don't even conisder the 767 "premium" wide body flying.:rolleyes:
 
Who gives a ******************** how the integration goes. Remember, the NW guys don't want any of those DL bases and don't even conisder the 767 "premium" wide body flying.:rolleyes:

Keep up the useful contributions you add to these discussions, they are very insightful. :rolleyes:
 

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