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No more so than a DC9. It is an airplane and has a market.

What we need to do is recognize it for what it is and deal with it. Totally arbitrary lines in the sand do not improve our profession. We need to get this stuff on mainline's list. A staple for Compass would be a good start.
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Just curious, why the special treatment for this group of pilots that has done nothing to earn this loyalty. Just a bunch of guys that say an oportunity to be at the top of a seniority list flying a nice airplane for a few dollars more than fifty seat pay. In some cases less than fifty seat pay.

Why not just give all Alpa pilots in the DL\NW system a number at the bottom of the big list. It would seem that you are falling for the old trick of only airplanes big enough or nice enough are worth fighting for.

Seniority without longevity costs DL nothing. It should not be that hard.
 
Superpilot92 said:
Wrong, A staple of Compass is a great place to start. Its better for them as they dont have to wait the 30 months and miss out on further seniority.
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It is not discrimination. Fact is that Compass shares the same MEC with NWA. That alone is reason enough to add them to our list. I know that a few others are owned by the parent company, but how they are managed in the corporate structure varies. In addition to this you do not share the same MEC ergo your interest diverge from that of the NWA MEC. Now I am sure that we could do this, but it will not happen in the near term. Too many fish are currently in the barrel and need cooking. If it were to happen it would be after Compass came on board.
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How about the Champion pilots? They should get preferential treatment prior to Compass pilots. They are out of work you know.
 
Smarta$$ said:
Seniority without longevity costs DL nothing. It should not be that hard.
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You'd think, but in reality the political battle may be overwhelming.

Many pilots see it as a big deal to fly for Delta and the truth is, it IS a big deal. It is not arrogance, it simply is a good place to work (while that lasts).

Most people who work at Delta are at their first choice airline. Once they get in the door there are more like minded people who reinforce that opinion.
 
Superpilot92 said:
Champion didn't have a flowthrough and wasn't represented by the NWA MEC were they?
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Meaningless. You just want the 175 on your list. History repeating itself. Chosing which airplanes are worthy of the mighty mainline pilot. To good to fly the CR9 or CR2.

You may like the airplane and want the job security and more bidding options and people below you on the list, but there are alot more deserving pilots than the compass newhires of the last 6-18 months.
 
Smarta$$ said:
Meaningless. You just want the 175 on your list. History repeating itself. Chosing which airplanes are worthy of the mighty mainline pilot. To good to fly the CR9 or CR2.

You may like the airplane and want the job security and more bidding options and people below you on the list, but there are alot more deserving pilots than the compass newhires of the last 6-18 months.
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Look relax i would love to have all of you brought on and stuck down at the bottom, wouldn't that be better for me than just Compass? You asked, "To good to fly a CR9 or CR2?", not so much, you're preaching up the choir about flying a "small rj". I just left a job flying one and would fly another one in a heartbeat if it meant more planes on the mailine ticket. The simple point is that for the senior guys here it makes more sense to bring the E175s on board because they should have been here in the first place instead of making them separate.
 
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Smarta$$ said:
Meaningless. You just want the 175 on your list. History repeating itself. Chosing which airplanes are worthy of the mighty mainline pilot. To good to fly the CR9 or CR2. I'd say a majority of us already have flown these type of aircraft.

You may like the airplane and want the job security and more bidding options and people below you on the list, but there are alot more deserving pilots than the compass newhires of the last 6-18 months.
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Ah yes, the "entitlement" card. Sorry, but Fins and Superpilot have the right idea.
 
NO, they don't. This is the same old "only certain planes belong at mainline". This is the same thinking that got us in this scope mess in the first place. So you are moving the line in the sand down one airframe. Woopdy Fing do da. By saying that this one specific airframe should have been at the mainline is just reinforcing that the CR9 and CR2 should not have been. You are falling for the same old game.

And now you want to "entitle" a bunch of 6-18 month "regional" newhires with a windfall seniority number. They have done nothing to deserve that "entitlement". Certainly much less than the suffering and service given by the Mesaba, Pinnacle, Comair and ASA pilots. But I guess thier airplanes are not pretty enough for the "entitled" mainline pilots.
 
Point is, you are cherry picking the prettiest airframe, under the arguement that it would be the easiest to integrate. Easy does not make it right.

You know very well that contracting to the cheapest contractor has desimated this profession. Integrating ONE small company, because you like the airplane will do NOTHING to fix the big problem.
 
Smarta$$ said:
NO, they don't. This is the same old "only certain planes belong at mainline". This is the same thinking that got us in this scope mess in the first place. So you are moving the line in the sand down one airframe. Woopdy Fing do da. By saying that this one specific airframe should have been at the mainline is just reinforcing that the CR9 and CR2 should not have been. You are falling for the same old game.

And now you want to "entitle" a bunch of 6-18 month "regional" newhires with a windfall seniority number. They have done nothing to deserve that "entitlement". Certainly much less than the suffering and service given by the Mesaba, Pinnacle, Comair and ASA pilots. But I guess thier airplanes are not pretty enough for the "entitled" mainline pilots.
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You need to stop this now. You have no idea who the Compass pilots are, where they have came from, or what "dues" they have paid.

You are against an idea that would bring regional airplanes to mainline? You should be calling it a "good start". I don't know what you are so excited for anyway, there is no way Compass or any other regional is going to be absorbed by Delta.
 
DrewBlows said:
I don't know what you are so excited for anyway, there is no way Compass or any other regional is going to be absorbed by Delta.
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Considering that the Delta pilots don't even want NW pilots at the bottom of their seniority list I'd have to agree that there is NWIH of something like this ever happening.
 
Smarta$$ said:
NO, they don't. This is the same old "only certain planes belong at mainline". This is the same thinking that got us in this scope mess in the first place. So you are moving the line in the sand down one airframe. Woopdy Fing do da. By saying that this one specific airframe should have been at the mainline is just reinforcing that the CR9 and CR2 should not have been. You are falling for the same old game.

And now you want to "entitle" a bunch of 6-18 month "regional" newhires with a windfall seniority number. They have done nothing to deserve that "entitlement". Certainly much less than the suffering and service given by the Mesaba, Pinnacle, Comair and ASA pilots. But I guess thier airplanes are not pretty enough for the "entitled" mainline pilots.
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Just curious, were you a street CA hired at Pinnacle? If not how long have you been with them? I am trying to understand your entitlement comments. First you accuse me of being "to good to fly a small RJ" and now the Compass guys have a sense of "entitlement"? Thanks for the upcoming clarification.
 
DrewBlows said:
You need to stop this now. You have no idea who the Compass pilots are, where they have came from, or what "dues" they have paid.
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It's okay Drew, those of us who are there know its refugee camp status.
 
Superpilot92 said:
Just curious, were you a street CA hired at Pinnacle? If not how long have you been with them? I am trying to understand your entitlement comments. First you accuse me of being "to good to fly a small RJ" and now the Compass guys have a sense of "entitlement"? Thanks for the upcoming clarification.
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No, I was not a street captain. The entitlement comments are directed mostly to mj42 (or whatever the guys name is). His comment to me is mixed in on the last page. Because I think the years of service given by the Mesaba, Pinnacle, Comair and ASA pilots should be rewarded with integration LOOOOONG before some compass newhire should, He thinks I have a sense of "entitlement".

You can tell that I disagree with his statements.

But as for supers views, I believe it is cherry picking only an airframe deemed "worthy" AND rewards a new pilot group that has done much LESS to deserve such a windfall.

It is a regional airline. I can prove it, just look at the pay. They just happen to have a nice airplane.
 
Smarta$$ said:
No, I was not a street captain. The entitlement comments are directed mostly to mj42 (or whatever the guys name is). His comment to me is mixed in on the last page. Because I think the years of service given by the Mesaba, Pinnacle, Comair and ASA pilots should be rewarded with integration LOOOOONG before some compass newhire should, He thinks I have a sense of "entitlement".

You can tell that I disagree with his statements.

But as for supers views, I believe it is cherry picking only an airframe deemed "worthy" AND rewards a new pilot group that has done much LESS to deserve such a windfall.

It is a regional airline. I can prove it, just look at the pay. They just happen to have a nice airplane.
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As for "supers" view, you're wrong all aircraft are "worthy" but i dont make the rules. Compass should have never been separate and the senior guys are figuring that out very quickly thus why they "favor" the aircraft. nothing more nothing less
 
Superpilot92 said:
As for "supers" view, you're wrong all aircraft are "worthy" but i dont make the rules. Compass should have never been separate and the senior guys are figuring that out very quickly thus why they "favor" the aircraft. nothing more nothing less
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Should have never been separate? They were specifically negotiated to be separate. The NW pilots got a $30 million bargaining credit for making them separate. The NW MEC publicly proclaimed that they could not possibly hold on to that flying. Now they should have never been separate?

I seem to remember a very similar sentiment when the Avro's went into service. You can't possibly be telling us that the "senior guys" fell for the same gag twice are you?
 

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