DL and Virgin

[Remington]

Sounds like the George Strait song, "Give it away."

 

[Flyer1015]

Your first mistake was listening to a DPA guy.

Second, do a fact-check. All furloughed were offered a return all through the years of 07 and 08 when we were hiring so nobody was out against their will.

I have found over the years that anybody who brags to other pilots about how great their second job is....it really isn't because they would be gone from the airline in a heartbeat if it was so much better. I live within my means and don't have to sweat out two jobs or because I have a (insert reason here) to pay for.

"Brag"? It was a mere mention to your fellow Delta pilot troll who says my "loco" will be going out of business and I better pick up open time. I enjoy my airline job and wouldn't quit it. My second income doesn't come anywhere near my airline job, but it still is an income and I enjoy it. I don't feel like I need 2 jobs, it's basically a hobby I acted upon and turned into a very small business. I don't need to do it, but choose to do so.

As for the DPA pilot, it did sound like he had a political goal. It seemed like he was definitely not happy with DALPA.

 

[fareview]

Poor little FO GL

Another thread hijack and mockery of title ....

Poor little FO GL...how's that date with Lucille going.

Lets stay off the subject at hand and exchange insults

Poor little FO GL

 

[redflyer65]

And your min is 19.5 on a 3 day? That's great. Almost all of the 3 day Europe trips from ATL are worth over 20 hours. You lose. Throw in very productive 6 day Europe trips worth up to 40 hours, and you can't compete. I used to do ATL to Rome, to JFK, to Rome and back to ATL, and they were worth, wait for it, 40 hours. In 6 days. Your domestic rules limit you to 30 in 7.




Bye Bye---General Lee

How was that Redeye to Europe General?

I'm glad we don't do those, that's got to be hard on the body. We usually have a short overnight (13-14hrs) followed by a long (20hrs), then home the next day around Noon. and no redeyes!

 

[xjhawk]

You two both have it good. There are compromises to any argument-but why are you guys always chest thumping about who works at a better airline? Delta and SWA seems to have its part of the market figured out. Southwest is a great company and I have never met a SWA pilot who does not enjoy working for them-is it true they have never laid off a pilot? Delta also has some great points with its great new contract and the ability to fly domestic or international to fit your desired QOL- is a great option at a company with a great future.

I would give my left nut to work at either. But I would not wait around 5 years for a bull crap interview for Delta or even if they change it to a flow wait around 1 second for that either. I think its funny they want me to go back and study advanced aerodynamics and everything on the ATP (load shift even???) for an interview when I have been flying around Delta PAX for years.

 

[SplitBar]

General,


You are an airline pilot right? You understand a Rig right?

You missed the point that I fly 12-13hrs and get paid a Rig of 19.5. That's the minimum three day rig. You guys can't even touch that productivity. Prove me wrong.

The second part of your post is hilarious. A 6 day Europe trip? That sounds miserable. You can have it. I'd rather be home in 2 days, so I think in the end you lose for not making top coin while your gone...and sometimes being gone for 6-7 days. That sucks brother. Glad you like it though.

The long trips with deadheads are very easy duty. Just finished one and it went like this..... 1st class DH MSP-NRT and layover for 40 hours, 3.5 hour flight to Guam and layover for 26 hours, 3.5 hour flight back to NRT and layover for 22 hours, 9 hour NRT-PDX and layover for 21 hours, 3.5 hour flight to MSP and done. Blocked less than 20 and paid 40.5. Not taking GL side but the long international trips are beyond cushy and go super senior for a reason.

 

[GogglesPisano]

... but the long international trips are beyond cushy and go super senior for a reason.

Repeated for emphasis.

 

[SplitBar]

GL will eventually re-emphasize as well

 

[redflyer65]

So the redeye schedule is soooo good, but what about the pay difference. No factor there?

Big difference between widebody and DC-9 pay. Just sayin'

 

[GogglesPisano]

Even in the 7ER category, with plenty of domestics trips, the Europe trips go super-senior. Pay has nothing to do with it

 

[SplitBar]

So the redeye schedule is soooo good, but what about the pay difference. No factor there?

Big difference between widebody and DC-9 pay. Just sayin'

I wouldn't know. I have yet to do a redeye but I wouldn't mind a trip that ends with a redeye. I don't think the DC-9 does redeyes. Not sure what your point is?

 

[redflyer65]

I was just wondering which is more important in bidding for the widebody..

The pay or the trips.

I'd think most gravitate to those planes for the pay, not the redeye work every week.

What do you think Split? A mix of both?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

The pay is a driver on some trips. like IST pays almost 22 for two legs, 2 naps and four meals.

The "redeye" trip doesn't factor in. Its always daylight when we land.

 

[redflyer65]

I didn't mean trip by trip Bill. Sorry if that didn't come across. I meant bidding for a narrowbody vs widebody. Mostly for the pay, or the type of trips....if you could hold either.

 

[dalad]

I didn't mean trip by trip Bill. Sorry if that didn't come across. I meant bidding for a narrowbody vs widebody. Mostly for the pay, or the type of trips....if you could hold either.

The wide bodies are more senior. Now if you look at my category in NYC, the international trips go senior followed by the commutable domestics. Guys want to go to Paris, Prague, Istanbul, and Moscow, etc. Having a third crew member or fourth on the 12 hour legs is nice too.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I didn't mean trip by trip Bill. Sorry if that didn't come across. I meant bidding for a narrowbody vs widebody. Mostly for the pay, or the type of trips....if you could hold either.

Gotcha...

I think the driver is the pay scale.

 

[dalad]

Gotcha...

I think the driver is the pay scale.

Bill is correct about $255 per hour for a 744/777 A plus international override. Mine is $213 per hour plus override on international trips. I would have to fly 96 hours to get what they get at 80.

 

[redflyer65]

Thanks guys. Just wondered what your opinions where.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

A guy showed me a pretty productive SWA style trip from his 757 rotation the other day in the lounge.

It was a 3 day which paid 19:35 and had short layovers and at the most 3 legs on day two.....BUT non-commutable on the front end.

I think SWA quick turns and no walkarounds compared to our long sits 55 mins minimum or longer tilts the scales toward less productivity over here.

 

[redflyer65]

I'm not sure Bill.

Our three day trips block between 12.5 to as much as 17.5.

The low blocks (12.5) will get the 19.5 rig, and the higher block three days will pay more...between 21-23.

Most have one shorter overnight and one longer, but the closer you get to that higher block range, the shorter the second overnight becomes. Basically you work hard and have less rest for more pay. It's a trade off for sure.

Most of our turns are between 25-40 minutes now. Pretty consistently. If your on an -800, your going to have a 40 minute turn regardless.

So there are a lot of variables, as I'm sure is true with Delta as well.