DL 757/767 Qs

[upndsky]

Not entirely true. For starters, a new policy is that new captains may only get two transoceanic crossings, and the other two may be Africa or SA depending on his prior experience.

I'm about to go on my second TOE and am doing JFK-Dakar-Capetown-Dakar-JFK, so this apparently applies to FOs, as well. My first TOE was to Europe on the tracks.

 

[dispatchguy]

How long is the total CPT roundtrip, a 6-day?

 

[Muskycat]

If the 744s ever leave the pax fleet, they would go to the cargo side in ANC I bet. Most Asian Cargo carriers have already dumped their 742s for 744s. (JAL Cargo, NCA, Korean, EVA, etc)

Bye Bye--General Lee

The 74-400's are already slatted to go to cargo and away from the pax. That was nwa's plan. Not sure what the new plan will be.
Also a nwa budd told me that the cargo flights they are running out of ANC is counting towards the flying percentages that need to be maintained into Narita. Otherwise nwa would lose some gates.
Word was they're not making money into asia and are cutting their loses and going to cut pax flights and keep the cargo flights going. Even on cargo they're losing money but less.

 

[qxdash8]

How long is the total CPT roundtrip, a 6-day?

I believe there are two versions; 8 day and 9 day. They have 48 hr layovers in Dakar both ways. Some also have 48 in CPT, others have 24 in CPT.

 

[upndsky]

How long is the total CPT roundtrip, a 6-day?

This is an 8-day trip. 48 hrs in DKR both ways and 24 hrs on CPT. There are some that have 48 hrs in CPT.

 

[FBN0223]

Although there will most likely be several new changes to the DL B757/767 flying with the merger, just wondering if you guys at Delta wouldn't mind answering a few more questions.

1) Which B757/767 base typically has the longest trips/highest value trips? Any trips that are worth 75 hours? In other words, any chance of a one commute for a 12 to 14 day trip?

2) Any rumors to how the intra-Asia flying will work? As it stands now at NWA on the B757, it's a DH to NRT then 10-12 days of flying SPN, GUM, PUS, CAN, KIX, NGO and then a DH back which usually equals a 13-14 day trip? A guess would be that most of this flying would shift to LA but obviously the leg over and back would not be a DH but done on the 767. With the different categories of B767 is this feasible? Do all B767s have the range for a LAX-NRT flight. I know I'm typed in the B767 but know little about the aircraft. Help!!

Thanks guys for any info

FBN

 

[upndsky]

Good questions.

We don't have these ultra long trips that you guys do. The longest trip I've seen is 8 days, going through Africa, for a credit of around 45 hrs (I'm on one right now). They are the exception rather than the rule. As far as the base with the longest routes, that would be ATL. A typical 3-day to Europe will bank around 20 hrs. But ATL goes pretty senior.

With the merged company, that's most likely going to change. One of the scenarios I keep hearing is that when they shuffle the fleets around, some of the 767s are going to replace the 757 flying out of NRT. The question is whether they're going to DH crews out there like you do now or if we're going to fly to NRT as part of the rotation. But I would say that these 13-14 day trips are in our future.

I've never done Pac flying so I'm not familiar with the stage lengths. The 767ERs have some pretty long legs, 12+ hrs. Someone told me LAX to NRT is around 11 hrs but I don't know what airplane. We're also limited to 180-minute ETOPS rules, which may lengthen the route and put LAX-NRT beyond the range of the airplane. I have no idea.

 

[General Lee]

Although there will most likely be several new changes to the DL B757/767 flying with the merger, just wondering if you guys at Delta wouldn't mind answering a few more questions.

1) Which B757/767 base typically has the longest trips/highest value trips? Any trips that are worth 75 hours? In other words, any chance of a one commute for a 12 to 14 day trip?

2) Any rumors to how the intra-Asia flying will work? As it stands now at NWA on the B757, it's a DH to NRT then 10-12 days of flying SPN, GUM, PUS, CAN, KIX, NGO and then a DH back which usually equals a 13-14 day trip? A guess would be that most of this flying would shift to LA but obviously the leg over and back would not be a DH but done on the 767. With the different categories of B767 is this feasible? Do all B767s have the range for a LAX-NRT flight. I know I'm typed in the B767 but know little about the aircraft. Help!!

Thanks guys for any info

FBN

I have seen ATL 767ER trips that were 9 days long, worth 55-63 hours. It consisted of hitting LGW, CDG, and FRA from all 3 Eastcoast INTL gateways. (ATL-LGW-CVG-LGW-JFK-LGW-ATL etc from each). I don't think they will tinker too much with the schedules, although I see your domestic 5 day trips going away. Also, I think they would keep the Asian trips about the same, and maybe your DTW and MSP bases will still have the long Asian trips---with a DH on a 744 from DTW, MSP, or maybe even ATL eventually. I don't think the 767 could make LAX to NRT nonstop, though. (unless empty?)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FBN0223]

although I see your domestic 5 day trips going away.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Many at NWA are commuters(esp. DTW) and consider anything less than a five day trip to be kind of a waste of time. Curious why Delta doesn't offer several domestic five trips in the B757 bid packet. Or do they? 30hr/7 days issues?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Many at NWA are commuters(esp. DTW) and consider anything less than a five day trip to be kind of a waste of time. Curious why Delta doesn't offer several domestic five trips in the B757 bid packet. Or do they? 30hr/7 days issues?

4 days are typically commutable and usually worth 22-24 hours.

 

[DTW320]

4 days are typically commutable and usually worth 22-24 hours.

That's the problem. Take your average of a 4 day worth 23 hours. Three of them = 69 hours. Looks like your coming to work for the 4th time this month to get your minimum schedule. I typically fly two 5-days plus one 3 day. Three trips/commutes to the airport, 17 days off. It will really suck to lose that ability.

 

[LandGreen]

That's the problem. Take your average of a 4 day worth 23 hours. Three of them = 69 hours. Looks like your coming to work for the 4th time this month to get your minimum schedule. I typically fly two 5-days plus one 3 day. Three trips/commutes to the airport, 17 days off. It will really suck to lose that ability.

how many hours do the 5 day and 3 day average?? this would be great for commuters! this might be an inexpensive way for DAL to limit the base movement/training/ and relocation costs. i hope the two MECs will address this with mgt.

 

[filejw]

The best NWA 757 trips to Asia are 13 days worth 80/85 hrs...

 

[Muskycat]

The best NWA 757 trips to Asia are 13 days worth 80/85 hrs...

That may be but how many guys can hold it?

 

[General Lee]

Many at NWA are commuters(esp. DTW) and consider anything less than a five day trip to be kind of a waste of time. Curious why Delta doesn't offer several domestic five trips in the B757 bid packet. Or do they? 30hr/7 days issues?

Hey, maybe they will keep them. I was just speculating. We only have one base that has mainly commuters, and that is JFK. Most of those trips are 3 days to Europe or 6 days to Europe. The guys in NYC on the 738 and the MD88 tend to live close to the City I would think, and a lot of the Shuttle pilots (on the MD88 again) live in BOS or DCA, and layover at home. The ER at JFK has a lot of FLA commuters.

Also, not all of our 4 day trips on the domestic side are worth only 22-23 hours. Plenty were in the 25 hour range, and if you ever get JFK flights during that trip, you can always add an extra 2-3 hours for delays----just getting to the gate.


Bye Bye--General Lee