DL 757/767 Qs

[aa73]

gotcha, thanks.

funny the differences between airlines. AA's definition for international is anything other than the lower 48, canada or mexico. Thus, only an international pilot can fly MIA-CUN, or JFK-SXM. Even DFW-Anchorage is international. I guess at DL these would be considered domestic?

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[Cobraair75drvr]

And at NWA if you are 757 pilot you can fly lower 48, Alaska, Latin America, Asia Interport, Europe or where ever else. Wish the new DAL would go this route. More flexibility for the pilots and the company. With computer bidding and a little seniority you could build an awesome schedule. One can wish....

gotcha, thanks.

funny the differences between airlines. AA's definition for international is anything other than the lower 48, canada or mexico. Thus, only an international pilot can fly MIA-CUN, or JFK-SXM. Even DFW-Anchorage is international. I guess at DL these would be considered domestic?

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[PeanuckleCRJ]

And at NWA if you are 757 pilot you can fly lower 48, Alaska, Latin America, Asia Interport, Europe or where ever else. Wish the new DAL would go this route. More flexibility for the pilots and the company. With computer bidding and a little seniority you could build an awesome schedule. One can wish....

They've been talking about this for years.... I suppose the thing is, when youve got around 2500-3000 757/767 pilots, it makes sense to split it up for cost.

I wouldn't mind it all being combined, personally. I use the HF radios, do equal time points, all the normal oceanic stuff except for true track plotting, but have never been trained on it. It's simple to find it in the manual, but still.


I do think you might see us fully qual'd like you guys.


aa73, you are correct. Delta "domestic" for the 767/757 is not crossing the equator and not doing an ocean crossing requiring a plotting chart.

 

[filejw]

Or they could skip the 3 day course and use the NWA one day school seeing as they soon will own it. When I first started flying inter-port they just handed us a user manual and said here you go boys.Anyway when it came time for HNL and Maui we just went, may have been a handout for that too. Its all $$..

 

[KCPilot]

No 767-200s

21: 767-400ers
60: 767-300ers
20: 767-300s
136: 757-200s ( I believe 17 of which are ETOPS)

They call those 17 757-200ER even though according to Boeing there is no such thing. Big diff on them are no SATCOM, 200K box, old TCAS, WX radar setup, transponder, extra jumpseat, oh and winglets!

 

[Muskycat]

Word has it that the 747-400 is heading for ATL.
I don't think you'll see delta pilots flying them for 2 reasons. One it'll take years to be able for anyone to cross over.
Two, RA said with oil at 105 bucks a barrel and above, the 74-400 will not make money no mater what you carry.
So.... I would say the 74's will be gone and replaced with 777LR's in a few years. But until then run them from ATL to Asia and try to cut the losses.
Just my guess.

 

[filejw]

747-400 will fly trips out of ATL but back flown thru NRT. DTW - NRT -ATL- then some place south.There will be some dh to ATL and JFK too. The 777 will be doing the same to cover trips out of MSP and DTW. Doubt you see the actual bases move anytime soon because of cost. Plan on ATL KIX soon too. As far as the 400 making money it depends on how much you charge, ask Korean or Cathay Pacific, they both make real money with the a/c.

 

[qxdash8]

Or they could skip the 3 day course and use the NWA one day school seeing as they soon will own it. When I first started flying inter-port they just handed us a user manual and said here you go boys.Anyway when it came time for HNL and Maui we just went, may have been a handout for that too. Its all $$..

Our WWO training was just a two day sim course until just recently when they added the classroom day. They found with so many new hires going straight into the ER (like myself) a little extra training would be helpful (and it was). Of course, that was probably driven by $$ as well. Must be cheaper to have the extra classroom day then to have all these guys needing extra TOE.

 

[JohnQ]

The only check out with a line check guy (after the 3 day sim course) is 4 legs across the North Atlantic. Nothing for deep South America.

Not entirely true. For starters, a new policy is that new captains may only get two transoceanic crossings, and the other two may be Africa or SA depending on his prior experience.

Also, for captains going into the following airports for the first time, they must be signed off either by an AQFO (special group of FOs who are qualified to check out first-time captains) or LCAs: BOG, UIO, GIG, SJO, GUA. That's just the ER category. There are others, such as MEX, EGE, etc. that are flown out of the domestic side but with the same rules.

 

[aa73]

Also, for captains going into the following airports for the first time, they must be signed off either by an AQFO (special group of FOs who are qualified to check out first-time captains) or LCAs: BOG, UIO, GIG, SJO, GUA.

Are you kidding me??? Delta allows F/Os to check out CAs???

Wow. How did that one slip by?

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[General Lee]

Word has it that the 747-400 is heading for ATL.
I don't think you'll see delta pilots flying them for 2 reasons. One it'll take years to be able for anyone to cross over.
Two, RA said with oil at 105 bucks a barrel and above, the 74-400 will not make money no mater what you carry.
So.... I would say the 74's will be gone and replaced with 777LR's in a few years. But until then run them from ATL to Asia and try to cut the losses.
Just my guess.

If the 744s ever leave the pax fleet, they would go to the cargo side in ANC I bet. Most Asian Cargo carriers have already dumped their 742s for 744s. (JAL Cargo, NCA, Korean, EVA, etc)

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[qxdash8]

Are you kidding me??? Delta allows F/Os to check out CAs???

Wow. How did that one slip by?

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Why not? These FO's are specifically trained to provide checkouts at these special airports to otherwise fully qualified captains. It's not like they are providing IOE or anything.

We have a number of FO's who are sim instructors. Whats the difference?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Are you kidding me??? Delta allows F/Os to check out CAs???

Wow. How did that one slip by?

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I do SJO and MEX checkouts... The CA is still the PIC and has all of his authority. I'm just giving airport/theater specific information and making sure he's safe to operate in there with a normal line FO. I can't fail him, but I can reccomend him to have further instruction... I call myself a "seeing-eye dog."

It's a great program... very low pressure for the Captain as they aren't worrying about a true LCA breathing down their back. I'm simply there to make sure we get in and get out safely and to give the gouge on the operation.

 

[aa73]

I'm sorry, I guess I'm just amazed at the latitude they give you as F/Os at Delta. You gotta understand, I work at an airline where that sort of thing would never happen. Too much ego and ancestral worship, probably. At AA, NOBODY is allowed to become an instructor until they check out as CA, and then only after at least a few hundred hours in the left seat. Not even Sim instructor (although we contract those out, we don't use line pilots anyway.)

In any case, that's great they let you do that. I wish AA would lighten up.

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[filejw]

aa73, NWA was like that until the recent past. JW