Disgusted with Freeloaders at Flops!

[ProFracPilot]

...yawn.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I have a better idea lets publish a list of migs in good standing and all the mother fockers that voted YES to this POSTA sentencing ALL flops pilots to five+ years of indentured servitude. F all you cowardly baxtards. You have done more to degrade the pilot profession with this contract than you could of ever hoped for. It would have been better to put Ricci out of business in the frac world forever than settle for this shiate. I couldn't agree with frackjack more. F all you wankers.

I hope you enjoyed your time on flightinfo, I suspect you won't be with us much longer!

 

[petebest]

petebest, I know it's easy to get caught up with all of the little things that go wrong at a flying job. Don't stress over what others do or don't do. Im a furloughed pilot and haven't flown since May 31, 2009. So just be happy that you have a job flying. If you still are upset about it I will glady trade you my job, which is loading 53 foot tractor trailers every night for 12 dollars an hour for FedEx.

Just be happy your getting paid to fly.

rbav8r: Sorry to hear that you're furloughed. All Flight Options pilots still flying with the company should be thankful they are still gainfully employed "living the dream". They should also resist the company's efforts to get them to work overtime, or to perform more than 14 hours of duty per day. If Flight Options needs pilots that badly, they should bring back some or all the furloughed pilots. My point was not to complain about my situation, but to put pressure on the no-loads who have reaped the benefits of the efforts and expenditures of those who made significant sacrifices for the betterment of all, even when success was far from a sure thing. There are many furloughed pilots who supported 1108 from the beginning, always paying their dues, and doing all the things the union asked. Many did so at great risk to their continued employment. I would rather see those guys back on the line and the no-loads gone. Best of luck, hope you're back to Flight Options soon.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Deal with it... you got what you asked for...

The battle is over, the contract is signed, and everyone's pay went up. These people who have been along for the free ride need to ante up or be exposed for the cheapskates they are.

They aren't along for the free ride and aren't cheapskates, they were looking for the job security that unions DO NOT PROVIDE.

They don't have to ante up, why should they? It's bad enough they are having to pay dues at all. Live by the contract. If they don't owe, they don't owe. They didn't ask for the miserable life of a union pilot.

Thankfully, the entire industry hasn't fallen for the union farce as former NWA union after NWA union falls at Delta. I didn't think I'd like the new voting rules, but it's got to be a real slap in the face to all you union mongers that so many "NO" votes are being cast down there and the margins are unquestionable.

You guys wanted a contract? You have a contract. Live by it. You got what you asked for.

They don't owe the $$... leave it be, they didn't want the damn thing in the first place and the contract is controlling, right?

 

[V1 Rotate]

I'm getting two bags of popcorn for this.....

 

[FR8DOG777]

I hope you enjoyed your time on flightinfo, I suspect you won't be with us much longer!

Yep alpo your right about that. Gone with many others when the opportunites open up again, and they eventually will. While its always been a lifelong dream to fly the wealthy around fourteen hours a day for pilot minimum wage it's not a endeaver we all which to embark in. Nothing will ever change here because the pilots can't bond tegether and make a united stand.

Hey pro how is the company able to repaint the tens and legacies if we got everything that was able to be gotten at the bargaining table? How are they able to acquire more Citation tens right now? How are they affording to put the six hundred thousand dollar winglet mods on? Where's our furloughed brothers and sisters? Yeah that what I thought you said, on the backs of the employees. Wasn't part of the in house union drive, don't know much about that. I do know this union is going nowheres.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Hey pro how is the company able to repaint the tens and legacies if we got everything that was able to be gotten at the bargaining table? How are they able to acquire more Citation tens right now? How are they affording to put the six hundred thousand dollar winglet mods on? Where's our furloughed brothers and sisters? Yeah that what I thought you said, on the backs of the employees. Wasn't part of the in house union drive, don't know much about that. I do know this union is going nowheres.

Yer right, Doggie. Until they recall all the pilots, let's force the company to stop spending any $$ on any capital improvements or marketing. Let's keep at least 3 paint schemes and 4 different tail numbers going on the fleet. I'm sure we'll not lose any more owners and probably have hundreds of new ones beating down our doors to get into our "finely aged", multi-branded products. Then that will get the fuloughees back, toot sweet. Yeah, THAT's the ticket!

Have you thought about applying for a sales and marketing position within the company? Perhaps even a VP position? With the vast insight you possess, we'll takeover the fractional industry in no time.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Boy do you honestly read anything of intellectual value outside of this message board? Actually my time would be better invested starting a new fractional and hiring only ignorant pilots like yourself. I would thus be able to undercut flops even further therefore promoting the race to the bottom at an unprecedented rate. Or perhaps I might go back to medical school and when I graduate I will open a practice undercutting all qualified physicians in my field by 60% or more because I have some pretty expensive bills to pay off. Congratulations you won, there's no changing that you voted for a strike with a 88% approval rate and ratified a posta by 90%. Way to go you dawned the war paint and really showed management you mean business. All of this is a moot point because you are the A typical union sheep never having a coherent thought for yourself. Yay, rah rah go team.

The people we fly actually hire aviation consultants. If you would read anything outside of your comic books and IBT informational packets you might comprehend what I am about to tell you. Wealthy people make informed decisions when it comes to their money! You missed the point of my previous point entirely. When you admit the union was outgunned and outsavied by more adept attorneys and book keepers we might be getting somewhere. You actually believed that the company was operating at a loss because they hired better acountants and better book keepers to show insolvency, but wow all the sudden we have money to do all I listed in a previous post and the biggest one I forgot to mention, spending 3.75 million a peice to rebuild beechjunks.

While you might think this contract is the greatest thing since sliced bread and the only thing lacking is a fourteen year commitment to out do those gents at eagle, there are many of us us that do not share the same sentiment. You want solidarity, and I can tell you myself and MANY, MANY others view you as sending us down a sentence other than liberating us from the arms of oppression. I know all of this pecking away at the keyboard is a waste of time because I can't undo what you have done to us and it will fall on deaf ears. Have a nice holiday, maybe you could open a turkey farm and undercut butterball who knows?

 

[Praetorian]

You need help. Really.

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Persecutory delusions (also known as querulant delusions) are a delusional condition in which the affected person believes -- wrongly -- they are being persecuted. Specifically, they have been defined as containing two central elements:[1]

1. The individual thinks that harm is occurring, or is going to occur.
2. The individual thinks that the persecutor has the intention to cause harm.

 

[imacdog]

FR8DOG, how does pay and working conditions now compare with how they were before the contract?

 

[B19 Flyer]

You got what you asked for...

While you might think this contract is the greatest thing since sliced bread and the only thing lacking is a fourteen year commitment to out do those gents at eagle, there are many of us us that do not share the same sentiment. You want solidarity, and I can tell you myself and MANY, MANY others view you as sending us down a sentence other than liberating us from the arms of oppression. I know all of this pecking away at the keyboard is a waste of time because I can't undo what you have done to us and it will fall on deaf ears. Have a nice holiday, maybe you could open a turkey farm and undercut butterball who knows?

This is pretty much what I've been saying for over three years. I agree with you 100%.

That handful of union radicals that pushed a union onto you guys can't understand the concept of what a contract does or says.

Repeatedly I stated that a CBA works in both directions. For everything that the CBA supposedly locks in to "protect" the group, also has other provisions that takes away flexibility that the company used to have in scheduling, days off and other little perks scheduling could provide. You are right, they've sentenced you to a life you didn't want when you were hired by the company.

Now, the CBA that says that those that didn't pay before April don't have to, they choose to ignore the language...

You can't do that.. they don't have to pay, they didn't want the union in the first place, and they can't be forced to pay.

Live with your own mistakes in the CBA. Take that fact back to your union negotiators that didn't accomodate for that in the CBA.

You don't like it? Tough.... My advice has always been to be careful what you asked for...

You are getting exactly what you asked for... so suck it up.

 

[B19 Flyer]

They got exactly what they asked for...

I'm getting two bags of popcorn for this.....

Nope, there won't be any posts.. don't worry about the popcorn.

What can they disagree with? I've been 100% on the mark since my first post over three years ago.

They put the company through grief for over 3 years and came away with squat. The union promised an industry leading contract that matched NJA, that didn't happen did it? :laugh:

Pilots lost their jobs and were used as pawns...

Yep, what can they say?

I'm just glad that the unions are taking a beating in Atlanta, hopefully that trend will continue.

Those new voting rules the unions wanted so badly have backfired haven't they? It must really irk them to see so many vote "NO".

Eight unions so far at a company the size of Delta have decided against representation. Perhaps they took the time to educate themselves rather than just drink the same koolaid that 1108 served?

You guys were bullied into that union, and you're gonna get exactly what you asked for and the rest of that group that didn't want it is now stuck with it.

Yep, there will be nothing to add to my post, they can't refute anything I've written.

Download a good movie... and enjoy it with the popcorn. :cartman:

 

[imacdog]

Eight unions so far at a company the size of Delta have decided against representation. Perhaps they took the time to educate themselves rather than just drink the same koolaid that 1108 served?

.....yet the people who are given the most responsibility at the company remain unionized.

 

[B19 Flyer]

.....yet the people who are given the most responsibility at the company remain unionized.

Nope, only the pilots and dispatchers are unionized. They do not have the most responsibility. No employee in aviation has the "most" responsibility. All have equal responsibility.

Please don't stand on your soapbox and tell me that because a pilot operates the airplane they have the most responsibility. They only have legal responsibility during flight time.

Without every company employee standing behind them and being responsible for their own individual actions and responsibilities to do their job correctly, the airplane doesn't move an inch.

Every employee from the ramp agent to the fueler and up to the CEO and board have equal responsibility to ensure safety of flight.

Delta employees are leading the industry by once again showing that unions are not going to stand in the way of their job security or by interfering with policies and procedures that have historically made the company into what it is today.

I'm enjoying how the new voting rules backfired on the unions.

 

[imacdog]

Sorry B, the pilot has the final authority for the safety of flight. Can't argue with that unless you're a paid union buster.