Discrimination Suits Hit Four Airlines

[FL000]

when african americans gather to celebrate their heritage(million man march type stuff) its ok. If a bunch of white guys did this....it would be racist, and would probably be compared to the kkk or some supremecist group. I do not agree with the kk or supremecy groups...just making a comparison.

Just a quick correction, the Million Man March was in no way a celebration of heritage. It was a self-administered wake up call by blacks (I have no idea what an African American is) to become better fathers, better husbands, better citizens. Not a bad idea for groups of ANY color.

The Million Man March Pledge by Louis Farrakhan is linked here.

I know what you're trying to say, you just picked a bad example.

 

[FL000]

I think airlines are most certainly guilty of profiling people based on their looks...especially after 11 Sep.
Vive La Liberte

Dam* right, and we need more of it too. We do not live in Utopia. Certain actions CAN be attributed to certain groups of people. Here's a project for you: look at every terrorist attack against US interests here or abroad, then tell me how many were perpetrated by Middle Easterners and how many were pulled off by my grandmother and her bridge partners.

To overlook this truth is just plain dangerous and ignorant.

 

[Speedtree]

Let me first say that I have not been searched by any airport or airline security and I am not an airline crewmember so I can't identify with their complaints.

Nor am I a minority who has been discriminated against (perceived or actual) by the airlines or anybody else.

When we microscope the situation and see things only in terms of our own selfish wants and comforts we lose the big picture. As a law abiding American I wouldn't mind being searched if it is in the process of helping thwart future criminals etc. I would hope that any true American (African, Asian, Muslim, Hispanic, WASP etc.) would want the security people at the airports and elsewhere to be able to catch criminals and do their part to aid them. Nobody wants to be searched and inconvenienced. But if you are a minority and a concerned human being don't assume you are being racially profiled and stir up trouble for the airlines and others. Do your duty and let yourself be searched calmly realizing you are contributing to an environment of safety for yourself and other passengers. Unless, you have something to hide.

I know the civil liberties proponants will not like this post but don't get me started. If you are not doing anything wrong, you should have nothing to hide.

 

[Snoop]

Hey Visceral..

Profiling is a necessity, and as I watched the Twin Towers fall from my roof in Brooklyn, I knew idiots like you would be whining in your friggin coffee about the profiling that would take place. When the terrorist attacks are almost all routinely made by men of MIDDLE EASTERN descent, who the hell should we be looking for????? You and your p***Ywhipped buddies should open up your eyes and smell reality. Maybe we wouldn't have has the 9/11 attacks if a**holes like you shut your traps and let the government do their jobs with out the fear of reprecussion lawsuits and ACLU s**theads dragging in lawsuits over stopping terrorists and their lawyers from f**king us again.
And if FL000 thinks his granny might be dangerous, hell, throw her on the profile list. But not before you, Visceral.

 

[Britpilot]

Maybe because it would never happen in this country. I think airlines are most certainly guilty of profiling people based on their looks...especially after 11 Sep. I don't think the typical middle age white male will get so much as a second glance, but if you've got a turban on and a long beard, you will no doubt draw attention. And if the courts prove it was discrimination, I hope the plantiffs win a huge settlement.

Vive La Liberte

Clearly you have not been to a commercial airport recently. The airlines are not resposibile for security the FAA is and the Federal Govenment will be. Every day it is the flight crews who are singled out for searches and wanding, I even saw an old lady in a wheel chair going through this farce. Who was it that committed the hijackings, was it a white male or was it middle eastern males aged 25-35? It is time we wake up and smell the coffee and use profiling to eliminate the threat. I'm sorry if that offends you but I will be offended myself if somebody makes it onto my aircraft with the intent to murder. It is not civil liberties that are at stake here, it is the lives of the people on my aircraft and the people on the ground. Of course if it is that upsetting to you, you can always drive to your destination. I see from your profile that you are not in the airline industry which indicates that you are not exposed to any type of threat, makes it easier for you condem profiling from your armchair.

 

[inline]

100 percent of the hijackers on 9-11 were Arab muslim males. But our politicians are terrified of Jesse Jackson, the NAACP, the various Arab anti-discrimination groups and all the other professional victims groups out there. Profiling works, that's the best way to prevent these maggots from taking over another plane again.

 

[TWA Dude]

Profiling works, that's the best way to prevent these maggots from taking over another plane again.

"Profiling" refers to selecting certain categories of passengers for additional security measures.

The lawsuits that sparked this thread involved passengers already on board who were removed due to crewmembers feeling uncomfortable with them. We are very quick to criticize the federal government for knee-jerk reactions yet that is exactly what some crewmembers are guilty of themselves.

 

[list2002]

MIDDLE AGED WHITE MALE

I have been screened both by security before the gates and security prior to boarding... shoes off, hat off, through bags, take off belt, lift shirt. 3 out of 3 interisland flights in hawaii, both ways round trip, and my latest trip from HNL to JAX. Maybe because I'm in my late twenties, I've seen families as well. It affects my life as well, those guys should be appologized to, but you KNOW they are gonna get more than a few tickets if comped. Be American, understand what was taking place at the time. I took my licks and share of animosity growing up in Hawaii because I was white, but it was worth it to live there.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Gotta go with the masses on this one. I've flown commercial six times since 9/11 and been searched just about each time. 33 years old, white male. I'm relatively liberal compared to the piloting community and I'd agree there has to be some profiling, not to mention some upgrades on the personnel doing to profiling.

Flew back from SFO last Saturday night on a red-eye and heard someone being asked to step aside going thru security behind me. Looked back and saw about a 65 year old woman with a "why in the world" look on her face. We both looked at each other and shook our heads laughing. Really a farce.

Had my bagged searched numerous times, always containing flight manuals, jepps books for studying and haven't ever received a question. One of the instances I was being searched by four girls, roughly no older than 20 or so who spoke in spanish throughout the time of the search. I really wasn't surprised that they didn't raise an eyebrow at any of the reading materials in my bag. I do believe I heard some references to Menudo however.


Mr. I.

 

[Tim47SIP]

TWA Dude

You wrote ""Profiling" refers to selecting certain categories of passengers for additional security measures.

The lawsuits that sparked this thread involved passengers already on board who were removed due to crewmembers feeling uncomfortable with them. We are very quick to criticize the federal government for knee-jerk reactions yet that is exactly what some crewmembers are guilty of themselves."

You know the shoe bomber was already on board, went through security on two seperate days, and guess who caught him. A suspecting flight crew. You know for a fact our security system is a farce. Any new hijacker or bomber will figure out a way to bypass the system, and it will be - guess who? The flight crew or passengers that will hopefully stop the individual/s.

Please don't tell me that we have to live through a few more bombings before we take actions needed now - read: profiling!

 

[eriknorth]

HELLO...ARE YOU STUPID....COFFEE=HOT

Ever seen that Celebrity Jeopardy on SNL with "Ricky Martin" and the hot tea? It's HOT HOT HOT! The question was "Is the HOT tea HOT or cold?" Then "Keanu's" reply was "is it iced tea?". When "Trebek" said no, Keanu responded with, "well then I have no idea."

That's about the funniest skit I've ever seen. Some people are just about at this level, though. I'm done now.

 

[TWA Dude]

Re: TWA Dude

You know the shoe bomber was already on board, went through security on two seperate days, and guess who caught him. A suspecting flight crew.

I guess I agree with you here: any passenger lighting their shoes should be profiled.

Please don't tell me that we have to live through a few more bombings before we take actions needed now - read: profiling!

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm not talking about profiling. This thread is about innocent people that appeared Middle-Eastern that were removed from airplanes because at the time people were scared and paranoid. Whether or not they're subjected to extra security before boarding is a separate issue which I've haven't even addressed.

 

[Visceral]

Re: Hey Visceral..

Profiling is a necessity, and as I watched the Twin Towers fall from my roof in Brooklyn, I knew idiots like you would be whining in your friggin coffee about the profiling that would take place. When the terrorist attacks are almost all routinely made by men of MIDDLE EASTERN descent, who the hell should we be looking for????? You and your p***Ywhipped buddies should open up your eyes and smell reality. Maybe we wouldn't have has the 9/11 attacks if a**holes like you shut your traps and let the government do their jobs with out the fear of reprecussion lawsuits and ACLU s**theads dragging in lawsuits over stopping terrorists and their lawyers from f**king us again.
And if FL000 thinks his granny might be dangerous, hell, throw her on the profile list. But not before you, Visceral.

So many of you had inputs on this.
Snoop,
I wish you wouldn't call me vulgar names...or at least attempt to. You are right. Everybody of Middle Eastern descent is a terrorist. By the way, that guy who bombed the hell out of the federal building in OK, wasn't he from the Middle East too? Hell, we should shut the borders of the USA to anyone who is from the Middle East right? And what do you mean "let the government do their jobs without fear of repercussions. " I don't think the Constitution would agree in spirit with you there. I know everyone is angry and the easiest way to target that anger is to start grouping people....he's jewish, he's catholic, ect, but this country is above that.

BritPilot,
I'm not in the airline industry, I'm in the military and I've been flying/fighting for my country recently. So regardless of what you say, I'm putting my life on the line in a much more tangible way every day in places that I'd rather not be. Despite this, I don't want the freedoms we the military are supposed to be defending to only be applicable only to certain groups.

 

[Visceral]

Let me first say that I have not been searched by any airport or airline security and I am not an airline crewmember so I can't identify with their complaints.

Nor am I a minority who has been discriminated against (perceived or actual) by the airlines or anybody else.

When we microscope the situation and see things only in terms of our own selfish wants and comforts we lose the big picture. As a law abiding American I wouldn't mind being searched if it is in the process of helping thwart future criminals etc. I would hope that any true American (African, Asian, Muslim, Hispanic, WASP etc.) would want the security people at the airports and elsewhere to be able to catch criminals and do their part to aid them. Nobody wants to be searched and inconvenienced. But if you are a minority and a concerned human being don't assume you are being racially profiled and stir up trouble for the airlines and others. Do your duty and let yourself be searched calmly realizing you are contributing to an environment of safety for yourself and other passengers. Unless, you have something to hide.

I know the civil liberties proponants will not like this post but don't get me started. If you are not doing anything wrong, you should have nothing to hide.

I agree with almost 100% of what you typed. However, search me 10 times if you have to, but don't remove me from the flight simpy because I have a turban and you don't. That's allegedly what happened....they were removed from the flight.

 

[Britpilot]

Re: Re: Hey Visceral..

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BritPilot,
I'm not in the airline industry, I'm in the military and I've been flying/fighting for my country recently. So regardless of what you say, I'm putting my life on the line in a much more tangible way every day in places that I'd rather not be. Despite this, I don't want the freedoms we the military are supposed to be defending to only be applicable only to certain groups.

How more tangible is having your aircraft hijacked and flown into a building? That is what we are trying to prevent and the reason you are where you are now.
I personally thank you for the job you are doing. If they would not say I was too old then I would be there also in my old job in the military. However you missed the point of my post, myself, my fellow flight crews and our passengers ARE AT RISK due to the pathetic waste of time security currently being adopted in our airports. We MUST profile and not waste our time screening people that do not fit the profile.
It is a complete waste of time to screen flight crews in the manner in which it is now being conducted. Also a complete waste of time to screen Grandma as she passes through the gate AFTER she has already been screened at security. You as a military person should realize that this is war and there is no place here to be politically correct.
I say again I am most concerned with the safety of my crew and passengers and this is NOT being addressed by the federal govenment or these dumb law suits.
No ones freedoms are being lost, it can be said that those very feedoms that allowed these people into the country are to blame for the loss of 3000 lives. Stay safe.