Dirty Tricks From Whipsaw City, part 1

[ProFracPilot]

Let's see...I wonder how ALPA handled that when Continental and United combined just recently?

MB is a law & Duty of Fair Representation is a law. Laws tend to obligate people to act in accordance to what is stated in them if they want to avoid lawsuits and or jail time.

In other words: No one is hiding behind anything, everyone involved on your Union's side is doing what they must.

BTW: If you are so concerned with the FLOPS family atmosphere, you might consider giving up your job to help out at least one of the 85.

Thank you for making my point.

Do you truly believe that the CO and UA pilots are happy with their seniority integration? Are you convinced that each group was represented equitably and fairly?

How about US and AWA? That certainly hasn't come together well.

I have supported my union to represent me and the pilot group that is employed by the company I work for. I don't remember voting to add other pilot group(s) to our local. That said, I have no moral objection to doing just that. But as far as I'm concerned, Flight Options pilots - again, including ALL furloughees - should be at the forefront of 1108's representation. Union leadership has placed the local in a position where they are unable to do just that.

 

[shanes123]

Well KR did it again..He is well on his way to busting the union and there is no doubt that he will succeed There are alot of really really stupid pilots at options..(Thats right I said it!! no political correctness just the facts) and this is not by accident. KR hired them years ago he doesnt want smart people working for him. he wants people he can intimidate, fool and scare easily and will just buy into any nonsense he throws at them as long as he tells them he values there loyalty. He runs a CULT like atmosphere just like most Cults that are filled with stupid weak people looking for a sense of belonging and need someone else to tell them how they should act. But when he busts the union watch how fast things change when you try to refuse working over 14hrs or flying over 10hrs or try calling fatigue. watch how fast your job will be threatened and the stuoid ones will do whats asked of them as they smash planes together on the ramp, run off numerous runways, leave engine plugs in and suck them thru a engine, have numerous altitude deviations.all because KR wants to see the GITTER DUN attitude, or being a GOOD SOLDIER, he has made this union look like stooges and im sure KR will get the decertification vote he has been working very hard for.. But when its gone watch all hell set loose..And all you Flex Jet pilots you guys HOLD ON the fun has just begin for you guys. you have ZERO protections or rules in place you too will soon learn the CULT of KR..

 

[shanes123]

Oh and one more thing..If KR wanted to Buy CA he would have. He never asked anyones permission buying FLEX Jet..And releasing that email when he was under a confidentiality agreement..Hello CA executives where are you? you need to sue KRs pants off cause he violated it

 

[Newkem]

Oh and one more thing..If KR wanted to Buy CA he would have. He never asked anyones permission buying FLEX Jet..And releasing that email when he was under a confidentiality agreement..Hello CA executives where are you? you need to sue KRs pants off cause he violated it

Cant wait for monday morning to see the next episode of this soap opera -
As the tricky dick muses.

Wonder if Ricci goes to temple seeking reconciliation for his sins against his "family?" Or, is he the one to whom others go asking for forgiveness?

 

[OHGOON]

Thank you for making my point.

Do you truly believe that the CO and UA pilots are happy with their seniority integration? Are you convinced that each group was represented equitably and fairly?

How about US and AWA? That certainly hasn't come together well.

I have supported my union to represent me and the pilot group that is employed by the company I work for. I don't remember voting to add other pilot group(s) to our local. That said, I have no moral objection to doing just that. But as far as I'm concerned, Flight Options pilots - again, including ALL furloughees - should be at the forefront of 1108's representation. Union leadership has placed the local in a position where they are unable to do just that.

Happy with their integration? Are you serious? I can't believe you are this naive. It's about following the law and not whether or not anyone is happy.

You did notice that it is IBT 1108 and not FLOPS 1108, it's not your personal local. The IBT is obligated by law to represent both pilot groups equally which includes furloughed pilots at both companies.

You are willing to throw fellow Union pilots under the bus because you think you will benefit from flying their airplanes. At the same time, you feign solidarity with your furloughed pilots while actively undermining the only organization that has proven to be capable of protecting and improving your working conditions.

You really are a special kind of dumb. Ricci is playing you like a cheap plastic fiddle. The next time you bitch about the state of our profession and who is responsible, I hope you have access to a mirror.

 

[hammer2]

Happy with their integration? Are you serious? I can't believe you are this naive. It's about following the law and not whether or not anyone is happy.

You did notice that it is IBT 1108 and not FLOPS 1108, it's not your personal local. The IBT is obligated by law to represent both pilot groups equally which includes furloughed pilots at both companies.

You are willing to throw fellow Union pilots under the bus because you think you will benefit from flying their airplanes. At the same time, you feign solidarity with your furloughed pilots while actively undermining the only organization that has proven to be capable of protecting and improving your working conditions.

You really are a special kind of dumb. Ricci is playing you like a cheap plastic fiddle. The next time you bitch about the state of our profession and who is responsible, I hope you have access to a mirror.

I'm not understanding your point. Should Options pilots refuse to fly any airplane or contract that Ricci bought from CA? They have no say in this transaction and it sounds like you're trying to start a list of sorts that calls any Option Pilot that does a scab.

 

[jetwash]

You are willing to throw fellow Union pilots under the bus because you think you will benefit from flying their airplanes. At the same time, you feign solidarity with your furloughed pilots while actively undermining the only organization that has proven to be capable of protecting and improving your working conditions.

You really are a special kind of dumb. Ricci is playing you like a cheap plastic fiddle. The next time you bitch about the state of our profession and who is responsible, I hope you have access to a mirror.

Sure there were some pilots at Flight Options that were not thinking long term or maybe were pissed that there were pilots at Citation Air who wanted to decertify the union in hopes of getting a better seniority number in case of a merger.

Ask yourself who was played more those who wanted their friends back and were willing to throw others under the bus or those who were willing to throw themselves under the bus? I think there is enough special kind of dumb to go around.

In the end the the correct legal decision was taken that we all signed up for.

 

[outerfix]

For the record, there was only one CitationAir pilot that was advocating decertifying the Teamsters if the Teamster's merger policy was not changed. My beef was that the CitationAir pilots got the Teamsters on property to help make this a career job and the old/unwritten/not ratified merger policy would have guaranteed that our careers would have been effectively over in the event of a merger with FLOPS. We should get a BETTER quality of life because we are Teamsters not worse. So if you want to be pi$$ed at someone, fine, but don't blame the whole pilot group. If you listen to to OGHOON, we will get DOH anyway so I wouldn't worry.
For those of you that are mad at the 1108, even if they wanted to sign the agreement with Ricci, there is no way that National would have let them. First off, one pilot group can't sing away the rights of another group. Second, Ricci's excuse for M-B not being valid in this instance is beyond absurd. Even if the Teamsters had a ratified merger policy, when M-B refers to merger policy it means the unions national merger policy not the local airlines merger policy. Third, the 1108 would have breached their fiduciary duty to represent the CitationAir pilots and National would have been facing a lawsuit from the CitationAir pilots, which they would have lost.
Ricci must have known this so i'm not sure what his game is. Maybe his lawyers suck, maybe he's trying to jack the Teamsters, maybe he's trying to get more concessions from Cessna, Maybe all three.

 

[Fresh Air]

For the record, there was only one CitationAir pilot that was advocating decertifying the Teamsters if the Teamster's merger policy was not changed. My beef was that the CitationAir pilots got the Teamsters on property to help make this a career job and the old/unwritten/not ratified merger policy would have guaranteed that our careers would have been effectively over in the event of a merger with FLOPS. We should get a BETTER quality of life because we are Teamsters not worse. So if you want to be pi$$ed at someone, fine, but don't blame the whole pilot group. If you listen to to OGHOON, we will get DOH anyway so I wouldn't worry.
For those of you that are mad at the 1108, even if they wanted to sign the agreement with Ricci, there is no way that National would have let them. First off, one pilot group can't sing away the rights of another group. Second, Ricci's excuse for M-B not being valid in this instance is beyond absurd. Even if the Teamsters had a ratified merger policy, when M-B refers to merger policy it means the unions national merger policy not the local airlines merger policy. Third, the 1108 would have breached their fiduciary duty to represent the CitationAir pilots and National would have been facing a lawsuit from the CitationAir pilots, which they would have lost.
Ricci must have known this so i'm not sure what his game is. Maybe his lawyers suck, maybe he's trying to jack the Teamsters, maybe he's trying to get more concessions from Cessna, Maybe all three.

If that's your way of thanking the 1108 for resisting tremendous pressure and not throwing you CA crews under the bus, you're welcome.

 

[Praetorian]

For the record, there was only one CitationAir pilot that was advocating decertifying the Teamsters if the Teamster's merger policy was not changed. My beef was that the CitationAir pilots got the Teamsters on property to help make this a career job and the old/unwritten/not ratified merger policy would have guaranteed that our careers would have been effectively over in the event of a merger with FLOPS. We should get a BETTER quality of life because we are Teamsters not worse. So if you want to be pi$$ed at someone, fine, but don't blame the whole pilot group. If you listen to to OGHOON, we will get DOH anyway so I wouldn't worry.
For those of you that are mad at the 1108, even if they wanted to sign the agreement with Ricci, there is no way that National would have let them. First off, one pilot group can't sing away the rights of another group. Second, Ricci's excuse for M-B not being valid in this instance is beyond absurd. Even if the Teamsters had a ratified merger policy, when M-B refers to merger policy it means the unions national merger policy not the local airlines merger policy. Third, the 1108 would have breached their fiduciary duty to represent the CitationAir pilots and National would have been facing a lawsuit from the CitationAir pilots, which they would have lost.
Ricci must have known this so i'm not sure what his game is. Maybe his lawyers suck, maybe he's trying to jack the Teamsters, maybe he's trying to get more concessions from Cessna, Maybe all three.

Why don't you get your buddy Sal to come on here and admit he was wrong. Because, as it turns out and like we've been trying to tell you, our union leaders had your back on this one. Probably because they are pilots themselves.

It's always really that simple.