Dirty Tricks From Whipsaw City, part 1

[SDCFI]

So can DAC buy the CA airplanes/contracts and give them to Flexjet instead? Not saying I want this to happen just wondering if that's going to be the next move by KR.

 

[jetwash]

So can DAC buy the CA airplanes/contracts and give them to Flexjet instead? Not saying I want this to happen just wondering if that's going to be the next move by KR.

Probably not because the IBT 1108 has contract language that states that if DAC buys any other air carrier that does fractional flying it has to be done by IBT1108 pilots. So eventually a merger of the lists will occur in our big happy "family".

 

[BE40Driver]

1108

Looks like CA will be Avantair part 2 now.

 

[Newkem]

Looks like CA will be Avantair part 2 now.

Yea and you wil be stuck preflighting your flops b.j.per the thread below with no hopes of transitioning to the mighty citations anytime soon.

:bawling:

Hope your "family" has a nice weekend.

 

[Rupert.]

It looks like the IBT 1108 said NO to the proposal from Flight Options management to the deal offered to take the aircraft from CS and leave the pilots behind.

And I pay dues why? We just left 85 furloughed pilots on the street. I see a de-cert vote in the near future.

 

[ProFracPilot]

And I pay dues why? We just left 85 furloughed pilots on the street. I see a de-cert vote in the near future.

Hey! It wasn't the unions fault. They're just following the law.

They said.

 

[jetwash]

And I pay dues why? We just left 85 furloughed pilots on the street. I see a de-cert vote in the near future.

You really are a piece of work.

You show up on flight info in 2008 to push the POS offer from Flight Options management to accept a one page agreement when we had 50 pilots RIFed. Then you disappear for 5 years and show up now pissed that the IBT1108 didn't bite at Kenn's Trojen horse offer and pretend to care about the furloughed pilots.

Now you want a de-cert vote. I am willing to bet you are one of the management stooges that signed the petition to take the deal.

How about it are you "engine plug" or one of the pilot pushers from OCC? Or maybe the former pilot pusher that pushed just a little too much.

While this issue brought out a lot of emotions among the FO pilots in the end the union executives took the advice of the lawyers and used their heads.

 

[jetwash]

Double post

 

[chief9404]

And I pay dues why? We just left 85 furloughed pilots on the street. I see a de-cert vote in the near future.

It will never happen. Pilots may not be happy with everything about the 1108 but there still is a bigger lack of trust with mgt.

Im not sure many want to go back to the days of the 3am wake up calls or the intimidation when calling fatigue or sick.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

IBT 1108 Union lawyers say that that McCaskill-Bond would apply so no deal without pilot integration.

Now FO management has to decide to do the deal with Citation and take the pilots as well as the aircraft.

M-B does not apply if the aircraft are either returned to the leasing company (if any) or sold. Good luck, but hanging on to a listing ship is never a good idea, particularly when its keel is starting to show.

Bob

 

[Safetycheck]

And I pay dues why? We just left 85 furloughed pilots on the street. I see a de-cert vote in the near future.

85 furloughed pilots? Really? Or were they terminated due to performance issues?

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...27/flight-options-downsizes-terminates-pilots

Those who do not learn from the past are : _______________________

 

[jetwash]

M-B does not apply if the aircraft are either returned to the leasing company (if any) or sold. Good luck, but hanging on to a listing ship is never a good idea, particularly when its keel is starting to show.

Bob

I will have to go with what our lawyers say and trust their opinion in this matter. I think they have my interst in mind more then the company lawyers or other posters on Flightinfo.

As for the sinking ship, I am on the boat where the others are trying to swim to.
My only concern is that when the Flex guys come on board and if any CA guys make it, that we don't over load it and sink it all together.

 

[Sparse]

How long have the FO guys been on furlough? No one has asked the question if they will even want to come back to a low paying job swinging the gear? If they have decent employment why would they leave for this goat rope that could go sour anyway? And "Family"? Give me a break. Its the prodigal parent not the child.

 

[dime line]

And I pay dues why? We just left 85 furloughed pilots on the street. I see a de-cert vote in the near future.

All you can see is your own little world. Your probably a good pilot but you have no clue about how the real world works. And no Kenn Ricci left 85 people on the street.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

I will have to go with what our lawyers say and trust their opinion in this matter. I think they have my interst in mind more then the company lawyers or other posters on Flightinfo.

I recommend that you research things for yourself. I do not trust attorneys. I don't. (I am one but chose not to practice)

McCaskill-Bond statute (49 U.S.C. ? 42112) applies when two or more air carriers are involved in a "covered transaction." This is defined in the statute as:

1. A transaction for the combination of multiple air carriers into a single air carrier; and which
2. Involves the transfer of ownership or control of?
3. 1. 50 percent or more of the equity securities (as defined in section 101 of title 11, United States Code) of an air carrier; or
   2. 50 percent or more (by value) of the assets of the air carrier. 49 U.S.C. ? 42112 (b)(4).

Purchasing less than 50% of the assets (if the aircraft are assets, which I doubt, as the vast majority of aircraft and ALL Frax (which by definition) are not assets of the company) makes M-B moot.

Finally, you are incorrect. Your lawyers are in the debate because it makes them money and for no other reason.

Bob