Did JBLU a320 land with 1000 pounds fuel?

[J32driver]

Those hired this year may just be on the streets in the next year.

Sure is a good thing we all signed that 5 year contract then.

 

[PCL_128]

Sure is a good thing we all signed that 5 year contract then.

Bankruptcy will fix that.

 

[BRA]

For the record - it was two voted off the island after the 9/11 deeper background checks revealed some rather interesting unrevealed information. I was sad to see one of them leave only because he was our barometer of just how much you could regularly screw up and still keep your job.

I now return you to your regular scheduled flame baiting...

That is so awesome! Whether or not anything in this thread is true or not...every airline does have that barometer guy! Both airlines that i worked at have that guy. And he has gotten fired and then you have to pick a new one....usually doesn't take long to figure out who sits in that thrown next either!

 

[Uppercrust]

This message is not meant as flamebait so please dont take it that way. I was in a hotel business center dressed in civvys and there were two JBLU pilots in civvys as well. They were talking about how recently one of their A320s landed with 1000 pounds of fuel on board and both pilots were fired. The CVR was pullled and they talked about "ditching it in the lake by Buffalo" if they ran out of fuel. ANy JBLU guys care to elaborate on this, I tend to believe the validity of this as the pilots were talking about it in somewhat detail. Can any JBLU pilots elaborate or care to elabortae?

Unbelievable. The paying public have no idea.

 

[fifty30retard]

Bankruptcy will fix that.

More useless on line zingers from RJ boy.

 

[AeroDork]

More useless on line zingers from RJ boy.

Come on, man. Get it right. It's PFT RJ boy.

 

[dojetdriver]

It happened in 2000 while the airline was in its infancy. And it was a little over 2000# not 1000. They also diverted to BUF from JFK and were led to believe the airport was going to open up sooner rather than later, and it didn't-- held way too long and instead of a suitable SWF/ROC/SYR alternate, the only good airfield was BUF... They sent both pilots to MIA for additional training, and the pair failed to show any progress in diversion techniques and descision making qualities among other issues. Since then, the airline has fired 3 more pilots-- One after 9/11 when a further background check showed he lied about several events in life, one for faillure to pee for a drug/alcohol test, and one for inappropriate behavior. 5 in 6 years, that's a miniscule number when compared with the rest of the industry.

The pee test guy got his job back didn't he? Wasn't it kind of a misunderstanding about the test and the contractor allowing him to not take the test to catch his commute or something?

 

[J32driver]

Come on, man. Get it right. It's PFT RJ boy.

BBBWWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Yeah... bankruptcy is a real BBEEEOOTTCCHH. Hows that working out for you there PFT BOOOYYYYY?????

 

[Blue Dude]

The pee test guy got his job back didn't he? Wasn't it kind of a misunderstanding about the test and the contractor allowing him to not take the test to catch his commute or something?

That's a different incident - he's still here. The testing protocol was changed as a result to avoid a similar misunderstanding.

 

[Capn Mike]

Unbelievable. The paying public have no idea.

Just like you paying for your job. You have no idea and you are unbelievable.

 

[A350]

32LT10:

So what year were you hired, 88, 89, 90, or 91?

A350

 

[bubbers44]

Something to think of when you are holding and the alternate is not so hot. Giving up early is sometimes a good deal.
Once had a captain wanting to hold for SJC below minimums and as we were approaching min fuel asked so if we start the approach and it goes below minimums and the alternate is rapidly going down to minimums what are we going to do next since all airports are below minimums in the area. Also all airlines would be deverting to SMF in the bay area his response was to land on the freeway. As it worked out SJC did go below minimums again after it opened up and we ended up at SMF with adequate fuel. I was a very happy person when I became a captain.

 

[Boeingman]

And to be more accurate the EEOC hiring was 88-91.

That is why YONITED continued to hire those with the same credentials long past this date?

Nice try Brain Surgeon...Nice try.

 

[Andy]

That is why YONITED continued to hire those with the same credentials long past this date?

Nice try Brain Surgeon...Nice try.

That practice was not restricted to Yonited. I had female and minority friends at other majors. After they were hired, they were asked by HR if they knew of any other minorities interested in working for DAL/NWAC/AMR/etc.

This is a widespread practice. If an average white guy is pissed about it, I'd suggest that they take a look at the percentage of female and minority pilots. Getting worked up over such a small number is not worth the effort.

And for the record, I'm as white as Wonder Bread.

 

[Palomino]

And for the record, I'm as white as Wonder Bread.

crust or no crust?

 

[Andy]

crust or no crust?

:laugh:

Well, I'm fairly crusty, so I guess I'll have to say 'with crust.' :beer:

 

[Boeingman]

That practice was not restricted to Yonited. I had female and minority friends at other majors. After they were hired, they were asked by HR if they knew of any other minorities interested in working for DAL/NWAC/AMR/etc.

This is a widespread practice. If an average white guy is pissed about it, I'd suggest that they take a look at the percentage of female and minority pilots. Getting worked up over such a small number is not worth the effort.

And for the record, I'm as white as Wonder Bread.

Not the point here Andy. I have zero problem with hiring minority pilots.

The point was United far exceed what was mandated by hiring numerous low time minorities. Fine. However no other airline hired with such low total time. Well, maybe PCL_128 bought his way into Gulfstream with a couple hundred hours of CFI time, but you get the idea.

The problem is, my problem is, you have one of your clown pilots on here harping about JetBlue because of some perceived minority hiring practice over there. When United's closet is as filthy as it really is on this subject it is really a hypocritical postion for that idiot to be spewing.

 

[32LT10]

32LT10:

So what year were you hired, 88, 89, 90, or 91?

A350

Before those dates. Why you sending me am anniversary gift?

 

[radarlove]

The point was United far exceed what was mandated by hiring numerous low time minorities. Fine. However no other airline hired with such low total time.

You don't know the history. UAL was sued and availed itself of a "consent decree", where to avoid further penalties, UAL was to make a proactive effort ("quotas") to right previous wrongs. The previous wrongs included hiring only white, male, ex-military.

To comply, UAL seperated the resumes into three stacks (metaphorically, I think). 1) Military pilots, 2) Civilian pilots, 3) Minority/women pilots.

When it came time to interview 30 applicants, UAL would take ten from pile one, ten from pile two and ten from pile three. Interestingly, pile three was generally empty. I knew a woman pilot who applied at 700 hours, got an interview, busted the sim, then got an unprompted telephone call six months later offering her another chance.

That's how UAL ended up hiring, in the same class, military guys with 1,000 hours, civilian guys with 6,000 hours and minorities with 700 hours.

Air Inc. at the time was tracking what it took to get an interview and the disparities were comical.

 

[A350]

32LT10:

A gift? Not likely.

A350

 

[32LT10]

32LT10:

A gift? Not likely.

A350

Please if you are going to get a gift please get at least 570 of them. My new hire mates would appreciate the thought. I hope that answers your question.

 

[A350]

32LT10:

I said a gift was not likely. Are you slow?

A350

 

[Guitar rocker]

You don't know the history. UAL was sued and availed itself of a "consent decree", where to avoid further penalties, UAL was to make a proactive effort ("quotas") to right previous wrongs. The previous wrongs included hiring only white, male, ex-military.

To comply, UAL seperated the resumes into three stacks (metaphorically, I think). 1) Military pilots, 2) Civilian pilots, 3) Minority/women pilots.

When it came time to interview 30 applicants, UAL would take ten from pile one, ten from pile two and ten from pile three. Interestingly, pile three was generally empty. I knew a woman pilot who applied at 700 hours, got an interview, busted the sim, then got an unprompted telephone call six months later offering her another chance.

That's how UAL ended up hiring, in the same class, military guys with 1,000 hours, civilian guys with 6,000 hours and minorities with 700 hours.

Air Inc. at the time was tracking what it took to get an interview and the disparities were comical.

Yes, but early on in the 90's, why were the mins at UAL 250TT???? Couldnt they have raised it to ohhhh, lets say 4000TT, ATP, 1000 PIC turbine time maybe??? I think that would have been somewhat more fair to the rest of us.

 

[radarlove]

Yes, but early on in the 90's, why were the mins at UAL 250TT???? Couldnt they have raised it to ohhhh, lets say 4000TT, ATP, 1000 PIC turbine time maybe??? I think that would have been somewhat more fair to the rest of us.

They weren't trying to "be more fair", they were complying with a consent decree negotiated with the Department of Justice. They still wanted to hire only military pilots, but they were forced to open the ranks to others, just not so much.

The good news is, almost all of those quota hires got furloughed so the karma worked out.

 

[Boeingman]

The good news is, almost all of those quota hires got furloughed so the karma worked out.

According to Mr. 32 Brain Surgeon, that would mean United furloughed back to 91. He claims that the EEOC mandate ended in 91. It would Seem like he has a problem with his version of reality over there.

 

[Uppercrust]

Just like you paying for your job. You have no idea and you are unbelievable.

What ever Capn Tool. Everything that comes out of my mouth is the gospel!:laugh:

 

[radarlove]

I didn't realize it was this old:
Other significant examples of EEOC's litigation settlements involving systemic discrimination and affirmative relief during the 1970s include:

• A 1976 consent decree with United Airlines, which provided more than $1 million in back pay and broad affirmative relief, settling a lawsuit alleging race, national origin, and sex discrimination in the company's higher-paying jobs. The settlement provided for aggressive movement of minorities and women into upper-level jobs, including pilot, mechanic, agent, and management positions. The decree also provided for retroactive company-wide seniority, which replaced a former departmental seniority system, to protect rights of minority and female workers transferring into more desirable jobs.

 

[HawkerF/O]

Yes, but early on in the 90's, why were the mins at UAL 250TT???? Couldnt they have raised it to ohhhh, lets say 4000TT, ATP, 1000 PIC turbine time maybe??? I think that would have been somewhat more fair to the rest of us.

More fair? Are you kidding me? Why do you think this lawsuit got filed in the 1st place? Back when UAL was pulling 250 hour TT PPLs off the streets and giving them all their ratings thena job, how many of those were women or minorities? Don't get on here talking about being fair with such a checkerd past. What was fair about certain groups getting the door slammed in their face until about 20 years ago? You have nobody to blame for that type of hiring practice except your mother, your father, grandfather, grandmother, etc............UAL was just doing what was the right thing to do and what was required of them; bring the staffing levels up to where they would have been had they not be so ignorant by overlooking a good set of pilots just because of factors the qualified pilot could not control. Now that's fair.

 

[jbvt]

What ever Capn Tool. Everything that comes out of my mouth is the gospel!:laugh:

Gospel according to Daddy, the man who paid for your training at Gulfstream. Hahahaha, your on the wrong forum little boy, daddy says go back to the regional board, run along now.

 

[Guitar rocker]

More fair? Are you kidding me? Why do you think this lawsuit got filed in the 1st place? Back when UAL was pulling 250 hour TT PPLs off the streets and giving them all their ratings thena job, how many of those were women or minorities? Don't get on here talking about being fair with such a checkerd past. What was fair about certain groups getting the door slammed in their face until about 20 years ago? You have nobody to blame for that type of hiring practice except your mother, your father, grandfather, grandmother, etc............UAL was just doing what was the right thing to do and what was required of them; bring the staffing levels up to where they would have been had they not be so ignorant by overlooking a good set of pilots just because of factors the qualified pilot could not control. Now that's fair.

Hawker F/O, are you HIGH???? Checkered past you say..............sure, that applied to just about every industry and it has come a long way since then, and I agree that it should have. But, arent we going from one extreme to the other by dropping the requirements to 250TT for a pilot at a major airline???
Can you name another major airline in the good ole USA that has 250TT as a minimum requirement??? I would say this is reverse discrimination at it's finest.

OK, so it's my great great grand daddy and mommys fault that UAL had to hire chicks straight out of college then. You dont have a daddy I guess, is that right??? You just crawl out from some rock and here you are blabbing your worthless jargon??? Go find a daddy kid.