Did FAPA really try to reach an agreement??

[The Victors]

Was shocked at first, but let it go long ago. I hope swapa gets a new TA soon also and F9 matches for FAPA.

 

[The Victors]

It doesn't matter for the purposes of seniority list integrations. F9 was not in ch7. Technically AWA purchased AAA and DAL purchased NWA, so what. The nature of a business transaction has no place in seniority list integration.

Tell that to the new Us Airways pilots

 

[DeucesWild]

Maybe SWA / SWAPA should have offered more than a staple???

 

[GuppyWN]

Maybe SWA / SWAPA should have offered more than a staple???

RAH just announced that some of F9's airbus will go to Midwest after they get rid of the 9 remaining 717's.

What does that mean to you?

Gup

 

[terryhfly]

It could mean that F9 pilots might have a new base in MKE. Or we could be $5cked.

 

[avrodriver]

RAH just announced that some of F9's airbus will go to Midwest after they get rid of the 9 remaining 717's.

What does that mean to you?

Gup

It means Bedford would have to do a hell of a lot to start putting different aircraft on different certificates.

I'd put money on Frontier pilots still being the ones in the driver seat.

Either way...labor-wise this is going to be one big Cluster #@$@#$.

Who's flying for who?

 

[GuppyWN]

Man I hope you're right (except for the cluster *************************) but one thing F9ers went to the mat over was the Denver domicile.

Gup

 

[Fly-diver]

Did FAPA really try to reach an agreement??

I'm gonna say no, they really didn't try.

SWAPA media statement:
This is our media statement that was sent at 5pm central.


“We have received notice of the bankruptcy court’s decision to not award Southwest Airlines with the acquisition of Frontier Holdings. It appears, as we suspected, that the lack of an agreement between the two pilots unions on an integration plan caused the court to not deem the Southwest Airlines bid as qualified. However, it should be noted that Frontier also said that Republic’s bid was the “highest and best.” So it wasn’t solely about labor.

First and foremost, we wish the best of luck to the current Frontier Airlines pilots. We felt they would have been a good fit for our culture and operation. The offer that we presented FAPA representatives on Wednesday night addressed three of their four stated needs; allowing pay protections for their pilots which would have given roughly a 40 percent raise for their First Officers, providing domicile protection for their Denver-based pilots, and guaranteeing that all of their 650+ pilots would be placed on our seniority list including their furloughed pilots. While they chose to not entertain placing their seniority list below ours, we felt protecting their pay and home domicile while providing a job security was an extremely fair offer. In the end, the Frontier bankruptcy lawyers allowed only a few hours to negotiate an integration agreement that historically takes months or years to accomplish.

Next, we are thankful to work with a company that in this instance chose to put employee relations ahead of all other priorities. Southwest Airlines chose to include a labor contingency in their bid for Frontier Airlines. That contingency guaranteed no drawn-out labor integration battle that is seen in so many other mergers and acquisitions. They felt that having happy and satisfied employees, on both the SWA and Frontier sides was paramount to a successful deal and a successful airline. We applaud that mindset. SWAPA encourages the Company to maintain that successful labor relations mindset while working with us to swiftly complete negotiations on our 15-year-old contract.”

 

[The Victors]

Maybe SWA / SWAPA should have offered more than a staple???

Wouldn't have mattered. I'm thinking the FAPA president made a personal deal to save himself and didn't care much about anything else.

 

[Indapool]

RAH just announced that some of F9's airbus will go to Midwest after they get rid of the 9 remaining 717's.

What does that mean to you?

Gup

So did the F9 pilots take a stand over DEN only to have some of that taken away from them less than 24 hrs later by RJet?
Serious question.