Did FAPA really try to reach an agreement??

[fiel12]

sorry, double post.

 

[fiel12]

Any insight to the RAH/ F9 deal yet? When would we expect that info (i.e. SLI, Fences, ect.)? Anyone?

 

[FDJ2]

Tell that to the new Us Airways pilots

It's absolutely true. The fact that AWA bought AAA, with whatever money they came up with is not relevant to a seniority list integration. If AAA had bought AWA, it still wouldn't matter. Who bought who plays no role in SLI integration.

 

[shootr]

Here's a crazy wild notion. If so much was worked out in advance, is it possible that F9/RAH working too much out ahead of time was some kind of illegal action or violation of court procedures. My guess is no, it was all above board. But wouldn't that be crazy if there was something there?

Again, I'm kind of sad this didn't work out between us but I'm satisfied with the result.

Good luck all,
shootr

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

For the advocates of a National Senority List.... how would a NSL have played out here?

 

[GuppyWN]

For the advocates of a National Senority List.... how would a NSL have played out here?

Talk about a thread creep.

Gup

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Talk about a thread creep.

Gup

Seems like the thread is thorough.... and this is applicable.

 

[texman]

SWAPA may have gotten punked, but Frontier pilots just got f**ked!

Hope the FAPA Pres and his minions will able to sleep at night after such a blundering FUPAH.

Don't forget we saw the books!

 

[GuppyWN]

Seems like the thread is thorough.... and this is applicable.

OK REZ,

Let's go.

#1 at Frontier is retired Air Force and F9 was his first job. One list hire date 1994.

#1 SWA hire date 1973. One list hire date 1973.

F9 wanted relative seniority. DOH wasn't even good enough.

Questions?

Gup

 

[afhercdriver]

RAH just announced that some of F9's airbus will go to Midwest after they get rid of the 9 remaining 717's.

What does that mean to you?

Gup

Hey Gup, where's your source? That is interesting. I was thinking why wouldn't the RAH guys push for arbitration? At least the senior guys at RAH would probably end up on F9's buses. Of course I don't have a clue as to how these things work. I am very disappointed our deal didn't go through.

Jim

 

[GuppyWN]

New Midwest Airlines owner to cut 100 local jobs - JSOnline

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New Midwest Airlines owner to cut 100 local jobs
By Tom Daykin of the Journal Sentinel
Posted: Aug. 14, 2009 2:38 p.m.

Midwest Airlines Inc. will cut about 100 jobs from its Milwaukee-area workforce, a reduction of about 9%, company chief executive officer Bryan Bedford said Friday.

Most of the job cuts from Midwest's Oak Creek headquarters and operations at Milwaukee's Mitchell International Airport are back-office and administrative positions that duplicate jobs at Indianapolis-based Republic Airways Holdings Inc., which completed its $31 million purchase of Midwest on July 31.

"We've got to make the airline highly efficient," Bedford said.

The jobs that remain intact include mechanics at Midwest's maintenance hanger, gate agents and ground crews at Mitchell International, and customer service representatives at the headquarters and reservations center, 6744 S. Howell Ave.

Many of those employees are needed because Republic's main business is operating commuter flights for Delta Air Lines Inc., United Airlines and other major carriers. As a result, Republic doesn't have a customer service department, marketing department and other operations used by the carriers that hire Republic.

The cuts of about 100 positions will leave Midwest with around 1,000 local employees, Bedford said. Midwest has around 1,600 employees, with 1,100 employees locally, he said. Employees who are laid off will receive severance packages, he said.

Around 160 employees are receiving layoff notices, Bedford said.

But some of those employees, including mechanics, are being offered positions with Republic Airlines, one of the airlines owned by the parent corporation, Republic Airways Holdings, he said. He said those employees were notified to make sure the company complies with the law requiring 60-day notices for layoffs.

Still up in the air is the fate of over 250 Midwest pilots and flight attendants who are represented by the Air Line Pilots Association and Association of Flight Attendants.

Those unions are negotiating with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, which represents union flight crews at Republic, over combining seniority lists of union flights crews from Republic and Midwest.

Meanwhile, Republic plans to add more flights to Midwest's schedule, which should create more jobs, Bedford said. Republic has already restored Midwest flights from Milwaukee to Louisville, Ky., and Los Angeles.

There also will be a change in aircraft, with Midwest dropping its nine 99-seat Boeing 717 jets, to be replaced by nine 99-seat Embraer 190 jets. Under Republic's ownership, Midwest's fleet will include a dozen 76-seat Embraer 170 aircraft, and 12 regional jets with 37 to 50 seats.

Also, Republic on Thursday emerged as the winning bidder in a bankruptcy auction for Denver-based Frontier Airlines. Bedford said some of the 138-seat Airbus A319 jets used by Republic will likely be shifted into service for Midwest flights to West Coast destinations.

 

[ivauir]

There is no reason for anyone to feel any animosity. It is disappointing we couldn't get a deal but we have avoided what would have been a VERY messy integration regardless of how it went. For that I am glad.

IMO FAPA screwed the pooch. But perhaps they truly represented the desires of their membership. If so then, good job and good luck!

 

[Quiet Flight]

Sounds like FAPA made demands they knew were impossible to meet...They clearly had no intention of even trying to come to terms. Too bad for the Juniors guys and gals.

Sounds that way. Worst case, SWA got a free look at F9's books/ops during due diligence.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/53241102.html

Unbelievable.

 

[FL250]

Maybe if you guys can elect a FAPA BOD who will agree to SWAPA terms, you maybe could talk Gary into making an offer to Republic to buy you! I wonder how much SWA would be willing to dish out if SWA and FAPA could come to an agreement on their own. I would suspect that FAPA would have to come knocking on the door first though.

I know, sounds crazy..but it would be nice to have a second chance and a little time to work things out.

We would have made a great team.

 

[StaySeated]

I honestly have never witnessed a louder, more intense wave of disinformation in my life.

Here are the facts of the matter.

SWAPA provided FAPA with their first proposal Wednesday evening around 1930, and stipulated a 2130 drop dead time limit. FAPA was late to the "meeting", due to the fact that SWA was late to the UCC meeting in NYC and FAPA couldn't possibly discuss SLI without listening to SWA's entire presentation to the UCC.

It is worth noting that this proposal was a complete contradiction to the terms described as agreeable to SWAPA during a morning phone call by the SWAPA president.

FAPA was ready, willing and able to work throughout the night to achieve a fair and equitable agreement. Unfortunately, the SWAPA position to several negotiable points was "there simply isn't time to discuss that issue".

There were three SWAPA imposed deadlines. The first was 2130. The second was 2200. The last was 2400.

At approximately 2330, SWAPA decided to end the negotiations even though six out of 10 items had been agreed upon during a 110 minute period. SWAPA declared an impasse, not FAPA.

SWAPA stated that they would request an extension and that everyone should meet in DAL in the morning to solve the remaining open items.

FAPA mobilized and prepared for what appeared to be a weekend full of negotiations.

FAPA's M&A committee was not contacted once on Thursday.

Not once.

SWAPA proposed that at least 20% of F9 pilots would be immediately furloughed. Day one.

They also failed to identify how those 20% would be recalled, or if they would ever be recalled.

FAPA provided one proposal. One.

That proposal was drafted after the initial SWAPA proposal. In kind.

SWAPA's proposal did not protect the denver domicile. Only newly created FO positions.

Do not say that there was domicile protection offered. There was not.

SWAPA's proposal did not protect "all FAPA pilots". There were no recall rights outlined in the SWAPA proposal. In fact, the proposal itself stipulated that any excess pilots would be considered furloughed from F9 with FAPA remaining as their bargaining agent.

Please reread the preceding sentence.

At this point, I could care less about the SWA offer. I remain disappointed that it didn't come to fruition but the double talk, the hypocrisy, is just too much. My only motivation to post this information is the amazing difference between what ACTUALLY happened and what SWAPA has propagated.

 

[Cornelius]

StaySeated, is absolutely correct.

The WN bid was to get RAH to overbid. WN would have pulled out of the deal regardless of what happened.

 

[SWA/FO]

Bull$hit...

 

[StaySeated]

Every letter, space-bar, and punctuation is true and factual.

 

[firstthird]

SWAPA's proposal did not protect "all FAPA pilots". There were no recall rights outlined in the SWAPA proposal. In fact, the proposal itself stipulated that any excess pilots would be considered furloughed from F9 with FAPA remaining as their bargaining agent.

SWAPA offered a place on our master seniority list for EVERY single F9 pilot, active or furloughed. it doesn't get any clearer than that. FAPA has to remain their agent until such a time as the list are combined, etc. that sounds like a legal thing to me not some nefarious plot. you want to blame swapa, whatever. Swapa was ready to go at 1700 when your guys agreed to meet. sounds like having the FAPA president do everything didn't work out too well for this deal. live and learn.

Every pilot on F9 would have been on the SWAPA master seniority list.

read that how you will, I can only read it one way.

 

[StaySeated]

Sir, it wasn't read. It was discussed. The answer provided by SWAPA, or lack thereof, wasn't what you are reading.