DHL Hub Service Agreement Renewal

[shooter]

Interesting. Right now Astar is looking at picking up additional 727 airframes per DHL's request. We have 29 in the system right now. I actually don't believe the "40" aircraft number, but DHL has stated their displeasure of the DC9, and even Hete has indicated between 5 & 35 of them going away.

However, none of us really know what's going on over in Germany, which makes all of this pure speculation. Guess we'll see soon enough.

BTW Cartman, I pointed out the 60 day clause because unlike the majority of you I have flown for DHL for the past 20+ years and have seen how they do contracts. They will always give themself an out. Like I said before, read the ENTIRE document.

OH MY FREAKING GOD! You have GOT to be kidding me. With fuel prices the way they are you are still looking to pick up 727's? That has got to be the dumbest move EVER in HISTORY! The captain of the Titanic is saying thank you right now for clearing his name. Tell Daz to go to FedEx....I hear they are scrapping them faster than they planned because of fuel costs.

Anyone over there have a brain to look at 737's for you guys? This is refreakindiculous. They will not be able to compete due to operational costs alone....scrub the service problems.

 

[abxdx]

Shooter how dare you challenge the wisdom of R&W. He knows all.

OH MY FREAKING GOD! You have GOT to be kidding me. With fuel prices the way they are you are still looking to pick up 727's? That has got to be the dumbest move EVER in HISTORY! The captain of the Titanic is saying thank you right now for clearing his name. Tell Daz to go to FedEx....I hear they are scrapping them faster than they planned because of fuel costs.

Anyone over there have a brain to look at 737's for you guys? This is refreakindiculous. They will not be able to compete due to operational costs alone....scrub the service problems.

 

[erichartmann]

Interesting. Right now Astar is looking at picking up additional 727 airframes per DHL's request. We have 29 in the system right now. I actually don't believe the "40" aircraft number, but DHL has stated their displeasure of the DC9, and even Hete has indicated between 5 & 35 of them going away.

However, none of us really know what's going on over in Germany, which makes all of this pure speculation. Guess we'll see soon enough.

BTW Cartman, I pointed out the 60 day clause because unlike the majority of you I have flown for DHL for the past 20+ years and have seen how they do contracts. They will always give themself an out. Like I said before, read the ENTIRE document.

I read the entire document, furthermore I understood the 60 day clause represented an "out". The bone I had to pick was your apparent delight & quickness in pointing out the "renewal" of the Hub Services Agreement really meant very little. DHL is like any other major company in this regard. There are always cancellation clauses, for cause, or with some sort of notification.

BTW, I don't necessarily think DHL is going to try and turn back the clock by reducing the US air side to 40 aircraft. It is a RUMOR. I suspect it stems from a passing remark made perhaps in jest.

I also place no particular confidence in anything Joe has to say regarding aircraft reductions. We are in contract negotiations and anything he can at least resonably say which he feels will adversely affect our moral and enhance his bargaining position will be said.

I know from talking to friends in maint. that ABX is "C" checking DC-9's which had been parked on the ramp at CVG. This would not be happening if they did not plan to continue to fly them. It could be that other -9's, currently flying, are coming up on "C" checks and will be parked. In any event, if a lot of -9's were going to get parked I doubt any would be getting "C" checks.

The same is true for the 767. The rumor implies that 7 - 9 of the 767's currently being operated for DHL might be parked or at least taken out of DHL service. 767's are also scheduled for "C" checks. Again, if they were going to be parked they would not be getting checks. OTOH, if they were going for door mods soon (yet another rumor) they probably wouldn't be going in for "C" checks either.

DHL may be displeased with the -9s. I don't like paying taxes, but the alternative is unpalatable. If DHL is having Astar look at 727's I can only hope somebody looked at the captalization costs (to say nothing of the production lead time) of new more fuel efficient aircraft and decided they could buy a lot of jet fuel with the difference until some "newer" more fuel efficient used aircraft came on the market. They may be banking on the 787's debut freeing up a lot of 767 airframes. The fact remains that DHL's main competition in the US domestic market is shedding 727's as quickly as possible because of the fuel costs. DHL is in a tough spot on this one. There really isn't a decent fuel efficient readily available replacement for the 727 (or the -9) currently available. This is not good news for any of us.

 

[rotor&wing]

The bone I had to pick was your apparent delight & quickness in pointing out the "renewal" of the Hub Services Agreement really meant very little.

This will be my last response on this. I simply pointed out the last paragraph. At no time did I display delight in pointing that out. That's your erroneous assertion in order to deflect from the fact that DHL still retains the possibilty of changes to the agreement.

As far as the renewal, this was an ABX press release which in my opinion was generated to prop up a sagging stock price (it worked).

Notice there was no DHL press release? The silence is deafening.

Again, this is my last post on this. Oh, and have a nice day!

 

[erichartmann]

This will be my last response on this. I simply pointed out the last paragraph. At no time did I display delight in pointing that out. That's your erroneous assertion in order to deflect from the fact that DHL still retains the possibilty of changes to the agreement.

Your apparent delight may have been my erroneous assumption. It had nothing to do with my knowing DHL still has the ability to make changes to the agreement nor was it in any way and attempt to deflect that knowledge. That is your erroneous assumption.

BTW, it would appear at least one other poster made the same assumption regarding your apparent delight. That in turn suggest other readers lurking on the board did as well.

As far as the renewal, this was an ABX press release which in my opinion was generated to prop up a sagging stock price (it worked).

For a while, perhaps until others realized that DHL still had the ability via the 60 day clause to effectively terminate the agreement.

Notice there was no DHL press release? The silence is deafening.

Thankyou so very much Mr. Obvious, for pointing that out.

Again, this is my last post on this. Oh, and have a nice day!

uke:

 

[FastHap]

Notice there was no DHL press release? The silence is deafening.

...only to those who refuse to listen....

 

[penguin22]

As far as the renewal, this was an ABX press release which in my opinion was generated to prop up a sagging stock price (it worked).

Notice there was no DHL press release? The silence is deafening.

ABX, as part of ATSG, is required (along with every other publicly owned company in the US) to file with the SEC any substantial corporate events that may effect stock price. There's almost always a corresponding press release

DHL, being a part of DPWN, an off shore company, doesn't have to file anything with the SEC

 

[penguin22]

I happen to be financially secure and do this job because I like the schedule, the work and the people I work with.

You'd think a financially secure guy like yourself would know this stuff