DELTA'S SCOPE RELIEF AND THE 717's?

[xjhawk]

don't start it on every thread wave flyer. We all get your point. You are right of course but to quote Richard Dreyfuss in What about Bob, "Baby Steps"

 

[General Lee]

I remember when CAL bought into COPA. We thought, oh good, an investment in a Cent Am carrier. Should be good for us in terms of developing new markets, right? Then we gave them 30+ NGs and watched as they hired retired CAL pilots into the left seat at $6,000/ mo. In the end they sold their share in COPA without the pilot's getting a penny from our lost flying and airframes.

Don't be fooled. That $65 million is your money. Buuuuuuuuuuuut, if you would rather get a contract where pay only starts upon aircraft movement then far be it from me to comment on your TA. Good luck with that. You're looking at far far less than a "19%" raise once you include all that lost time at the gate.

What? I get a huge raise when I upgrade to 737 Captain. (I can maybe hold it here in ATL, but I can in NYC if want also) I will go from about $130 an hour to $215. That's more than a 19% raise. There will be plenty of movement and hiring due to the TA, and 148 50 seat RJs retired. If I have to stay at the gate and wait for a push, the beacon will be on, and at that pay rate I'll be happy to wait.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Twisted Mind]

Damn it is a good thing airbus didn't market the 320 as a regional jet.

 

[ultrarunner]

IF the TA passes, then there will be only 125 50 seat RJs left by 2015. That includes Comair....

Bye Bye---General Lee

Is Comair going to continue to operate any 50 seaters???

 

[CRJ puppy]

Is Comair going to continue to operate any 50 seaters???

Yes. 16 by this September until their leases are up in 2-3 yrs. They are the oldest 16 left in the DCI fleet. They are going away whether this TA passes or not. But it's only 16. We already lost > 120 50 seaters. We made our contribution!!
Take it for what it's worth...

 

[180ToTheMarker]

IF the TA passes, then there will be only 125 50 seat RJs left by 2015. That includes Comair. There will be 102 70 seaters, and 223 76 seaters within 3 years, only if the 717s show up. The mainline ratio of domestic flying will go up and stay there too.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Still too many RJs. Mainline fleet count of small narrowbody (smaller than 757s) is 581. Total RJs according to your count is 450. Thats almost 44% of OUR narrowbody flying that is still outsourced. Unacceptable.

 

[Hamfighter]

It is unacceptable. While in no way softening on the scope stance, it did make sense how Scrappy explained it at the meeting yesterday. Delta has these long leases on the 50's that they can't terminate, but they can convert to 70s or 90s and it costs to much to just park them until the leases expire.
I don't mind them swapping to get the most out of them while we're stuck with them, I would just want there to be a clause to not renew leases when they expire (which, I'm fairly certain, there's not).

 

[General Lee]

It is unacceptable. While in no way softening on the scope stance, it did make sense how Scrappy explained it at the meeting yesterday. Delta has these long leases on the 50's that they can't terminate, but they can convert to 70s or 90s and it costs to much to just park them until the leases expire.
I don't mind them swapping to get the most out of them while we're stuck with them, I would just want there to be a clause to not renew leases when they expire (which, I'm fairly certain, there's not).

I'm thinking the same, but you can't just wish them all away at once. There are some small cities that can't justify a mainline narrowbody. Using ratios and caps is probably the way to do it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Data]

Still too many RJs. Mainline fleet count of small narrowbody (smaller than 757s) is 581. Total RJs according to your count is 450. Thats almost 44% of OUR narrowbody flying that is still outsourced. Unacceptable.

That number is not very representative. Yes, 44% of airframes but what percentage of seats? Or seat miles. Not that I'm arguing for more RJs just pointing out the error of your calculations.

 

[waveflyer]

General-
The line has always been, if we had a crystal ball, we'd have flown the 50 seater ourselves.
Now you're using the unbelievably naive justification again for not flying a -900- "too small, don't want to drag down mainline rates"

Which is it? Was outsourcing 50's a mistake you'd like back, or not?

Those lease transfers are not contingent on them being outsourced are they?
Why wouldn't mainline fly them?