Delta Weather Procedures

[falcondriver]

Can someone give me information on Delta Airlines thunderstorm procedures? I flew from CVG to DFW and diverted to Austin. We penetrated a line of storms on the way. It was the worst flight I have ever been on. They scared everybody on board. They eventually got us to DFW, but I don't think anybody on that plane will fly Delta again.
Thanks
FD

 

[Saluki Dawg]

FalconDriver,

I'll bet you were flying on Tuesday weren't you. That was a NASTY line of T-Storms. I was flying also that day, and believe me when I say that I kept my A/C and my Passengers as far away from those Storms as I possibly could. Of course, I tend to be a weather coward. I have found that I will live a lot longer that way. I'm not sure what Delta's policy is, but mine is to Avoid, Avoid, Avoid at all costs. I believe in never subjecting passengers to that kind of wild ride, if there is anyway at all to avoid it. Unfortunately, I have flown with Captains that did not share my attitude. That can make for a long month. Especially the months of March through June. Sorry to hear about your bad experience.

 

[FlyingSig]

25 nm , just like the AIM

I bet you never flew in weather that was worse then you thought it would be huh?


Oh, if you flew on a MD88/90 the radar sucks. I'd take a Be1900D radar anyday over that one.

 

[falcondriver]

I was on a MD88. The pilots did a great job. The co-pilot was flying. I talked to him after the flight and he said it was really bad weather. I was under the impression that airliners don't subject passengers to that kind of danger but I guess I was wrong.
Thanks
FD

 

[TurboS7]

Did the airplane has a nice paint job? Maybe they were trying to get it to look like the rest of the fleet.

 

[falcondriver]

It got a good washing. Some of the passengers needed to wash their underwear.
FD

 

[Huck]

I've flown a whooooole lot closer to the red in corporate aircraft than in any airliner.

When I first went to 121 flying, I was amazed when a captain deviated 50 miles off course to go around a line. In a turboprop! My King-Aire buddies never swerved, except to hit the weak spot between two red pork-chops on the radar.

I love that Ernie Gann story about approaching a huge line in a DC-2. He asked the captain what he was thinking. "I think we're gonna take a pasting!"

 

[ifly4food]

To the defense of the Delta pilots, I think they tend to be more weather conscious than most airlines. Spend some time on ATL Center freq on a bad weather day and all you hear are Delta requests to deviate around weather. A lot of times you even hear them deviating around "buildups".

As a side note on the original post, I love how passengers say "I'll never fly this airline again" when something like this happens. As if it's the airline's fault!!!

1. I'll bet AA, CAL, and everyone else going into DFW flew through the same weather that day.

2. I GUARANTEE that if Delta gets a cheap fare to somewhere they want to go, they'll "forget" all about this "incident".

Pax crack me up sometimes.

 

[jaybird]

I'm just curious, what exactly can an aircraft handle, thunderstorm wise? Obviously flown at Va, anything from a 172 to a transport category aircraft.

 

[TurboS7]

The problem with flying throught thunderstorms is you only get to fly through the one that takes your wings off-ONCE.

 

[Le Pilote]

Well it's going to be a long, bumpy T-storm season. Starting already! But hey at least it's not snowing.

 

[Flyer7SA]

I'm just curious, what exactly can an aircraft handle, thunderstorm wise? Obviously flown at Va, anything from a 172 to a transport category aircraft.

That really depends upon the aircraft. The older series Lears had 6 spars per wing. The wing loading was tested to over 11 Gs without failing, though it was certified much less. The pressure vessel was tested to Apollo standards which was 21 PSI differential before failure, though it was certified only to max 8.9 psi. This type of engineering is just not around anymore. I wouldn't go far to say that newer aircraft are inferior in any way, just that you might not even bat an eye at taking an aircraft such as an earlier Lear or Sabre into heavy Wx, whereas a KingAir or RJ, you may think twice about it (especially if you have Pax riding in back, rather than a drunk businessman who is just going to barf in his briefcase because he's worried that you'll charge his company for the cleanup).

As for Va, well, that's also being "redefined" . American Flight 587 was well below Va when the abrubt control force caused a structural failure. Our "classic" definition of Va is the speed at below which an aircraft will stall before any structural damage occurs. Perhaps that definition needs to be looked at again.

~FLyer7SA

 

[FN FAL]

As for Va, well, that's also being "redefined" . American Flight 587 was well below Va when the abrubt control force caused a structural failure. Our "classic" definition of Va is the speed at below which an aircraft will stall before any structural damage occurs. Perhaps that definition needs to be looked at again.

~FLyer7SA

Why would the definition need to be re-defined? VA protection is guaranteed on a rudder if you are below VA and you make a complete and abrupt control input to the rudder pedal and then let it re-center itself. Stomping on it in one direction all the way to the floor and then stomping on it in the other direction all the way to the floor, exceeds the limits of VA protection. Where is the confusion?

 

[chperplt]

Why would the definition need to be re-defined? VA protection is guaranteed on a rudder if you are below VA and you make a complete and abrupt control input to the rudder pedal and then let it re-center itself

Where is the confusion?

You didn't read the NTSB report on the AA flight, did you? The NTSB specifically calls into question our current definition of VA. They further state that control movement in the manner you describe above below VA can cause a catastrophic event.

 

[learflyer]

I actually flew with a captain who said "Hey, the only thing you have to worry about a thunderstorm is the hail". He made me feel ALOT better! I love these pilots that just launch into tstorms after takeoff and then complain to tower or atc that "we need 20 left or right immediately for wx". You ever think of waiting 5 mins for it to pass?