delta upgrades?

[sniper]

whats the current estimate on 2014 new-hires years to upgrade?

7 years is my bet

 

[JetFumes]

How long for a new hire to get to Salt Lake?

 

[KarmaPolice]

How long for a new hire to get to Salt Lake?

Hard to say, obviously, but about 3 years would be my guess. There are tons of guys waiting to get back out west.

If they open the 717 base in Seattle, that will change!

 

[gobyebye]

It also depends on how important it is for you to wear five black stripes on your epaulet. If you want to commute to reserve in NYC on a narrowbody, and spend all your on call days in a crashpad, it may be less than five years. If you want to be based anywhere else and not be super-junior, then you are probably looking at closer to 10.

We DO have lots of retirements coming up, and they will really start kicking in about two years from now.

Wow, you guys wear five black stripes?! I knew you delta guys were extra special.

 

[JohnQ]

Wow, you guys wear five black stripes?! I knew you delta guys were extra special.

Oh we are! Every other airlines' captains have dark epaulets with four gold or silver stripes. Only at DAL do we have gold or silver colored epaulets paired with five black stripes.

While they look identical to all the other epaulets, we at DAL "know" just how special our five-black-striped look is!

 

[General Lee]

Huge bid came out today with upgrades on almost every fleet. (744 and 777 too). First bid with "super premium" seats in awhile.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[dalad]

This is the bid Category Vacancies Reason
DTW 744 Captain 6 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

DTW 744 F/O 6 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

DTW 777 Captain 4 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

ATL 765 Captain 5 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying
NYC 765 Captain 7 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

ATL 765 F/O 5 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying
NYC 765 F/O 7 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

ATL 330 Captain 10 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

ATL 330 F/O 15 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

ATL 7ER F/O 15 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

DTW 73N Captain 25 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying
NYC 73N Captain 15 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

DTW 73N F/O 30 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying
NYC 73N F/O 35 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

ATL 320 Captain 5 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying
NYC 320 Captain 15 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

ATL 320 F/O 10 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying
NYC 320 F/O 20 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

ATL M88 Captain 10 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying
NYC M88 Captain 10 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

ATL M88 F/O 40 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying
NYC M88 F/O 40 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

ATL 717 Captain 40 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

ATL 717 F/O 30 Add Staffing for 2014 Flying

 

[nwaf16dude]

That's some very good news. It'll be interesting to watch how junior all those narrow body captain seats go. Should create lots of good movement.

 

[jonjuan]

Huge bid came out today with upgrades on almost every fleet. (744 and 777 too). First bid with "super premium" seats in awhile.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Gee, highest paying plane 15 upgrades out of 12000 pilots. Maybe the 777 CAs can someday make what a 15 year SWA CAs make. Doubtful, however.

 

[LandGreen]

Gee, highest paying plane 15 upgrades out of 12000 pilots. Maybe the 777 CAs can someday make what a 15 year SWA CAs make. Doubtful, however.

Sure hope ur Airline never files bankruptcy! If they do...u can kiss that pay rate and work rules goodbye! Never assume any airline is safe from a CEO who has no clue how to run a company.

For an industry new hire, SW looks like they have been crushing the industry with their payrates and work rules. However, that is the perspective of todays industry snapshot, absent a historical perspective. A more important question is....

What has SW done specifically to further the momentum that legacy contracts provided pre-911...IOW..what part of their PWA today 14 years later has surpassed the legacy contracts of 2000??!! Correct me if Im wrong, but the SW contract today is a result of patterned pre-911 legacy contracts, and being fortunate enough (good mgt) for not filing bankruptcy.

Now more than ever the legacies need SW to capitalize on a TA that moves them significantly past DL. How is that negotiation going?

Bottom line: each airline will get their turn in the winners circle...that time is usually short-lived...but while u r there, that pilot group must carry the water for the industry in order for the ones that are reorganizing to pattern up from. Only then can the entire industry return to lifestyles enjoyed by the previous generations.