delta upgrades?

[General Lee]

Gee, highest paying plane 15 upgrades out of 12000 pilots. Maybe the 777 CAs can someday make what a 15 year SWA CAs make. Doubtful, however.

Uhhhhhh, when one guy moves up, 8 move up behind him/her. That's what happens when you have multiple fleet types without pay banding. With 7500 retirements scheduled in the next decade, don't you think there would be tons of movement? Juany, you so crazy!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[NuGuy]

Right now, "it depends".

Current upgrades have been in the mid-8000 range, which is 15-17 years, depending on which side of the merger you came from.

Even if it dips down to 9000, that's still 13-15 years.

Nu

 

[GoodTimes]

Wow! 15 years? I honestly thought upgrades were happening much sooner than that at Delta.

 

[General Lee]

Wow! 15 years? I honestly thought upgrades were happening much sooner than that at Delta.

It's not 15 years from now. It's 15 year pilots that have already been at DL through the age 65 hike, stagnation after BK, etc. DL will retire 7500 pilots over the next ten years, so it's unlikely anyone hired now will have to wait that long. But, there are other options at the legacies too, like becoming senior in category and making more money as a senior Widebody FO and not having to sit reserve on a narrowbody left seat. There are many ways to make more money at a legacy, you just have to ask around. You can go into training, you can stay on a smaller plane and gather greenslips, etc. Plenty of options.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

It's not 15 years from now. It's 15 year pilots that have already been at DL through the age 65 hike, stagnation after BK, etc. DL will retire 7500 pilots over the next ten years, so it's unlikely anyone hired now will have to wait that long. But, there are other options at the legacies too, like becoming senior in category and making more money as a senior Widebody FO and not having to sit reserve on a narrowbody left seat. There are many ways to make more money at a legacy, you just have to ask around. You can go into training, you can stay on a smaller plane and gather greenslips, etc. Plenty of options.



Bye Bye---General Lee

7500 pilots over the next 10 years, 50 seaters going to the sand, and 88 sweet 717's coming online. Faaaaaaaantastic!

 

[General Lee]

7500 pilots over the next 10 years, 50 seaters going to the sand, and 88 sweet 717's coming online. Faaaaaaaantastic!

You are reading my mind! All true facts. Thanks!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

like becoming senior in category and making more money as a senior Widebody FO Bye Bye---General Lee

widebody as in fat boy, eating those chocolate sundaes at DQ after firehouse bingo night w/ mom :laugh:

 

[General Lee]

widebody as in fat boy, eating those chocolate sundaes at DQ after firehouse bingo night w/ mom :laugh:

Actually with your Mom, and then we had terrible sex. (Her fault)


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

weak Jennifer, weak...but thanks for playing putz.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Actually with your Mom, and then we had terrible sex. (Her fault)


Bye Bye---General Lee

Wow, and you claim to have a wife. So a liar and a cheater. You are one worthless piece of skin

 

[General Lee]

Wow, and you claim to have a wife. So a liar and a cheater. You are one worthless piece of skin

Yes, I'm Freebrd's dad. He was and still is a terrible child, and the sex with his Mom is still horrible.

Thanks!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Yes, I'm Freebrd's dad. He was and still is a terrible child, and the sex with his Mom is still horrible.

Thanks!



Bye Bye---General Lee

Well, that explains his mental retardation

 

[General Lee]

Well, that explains his mental retardation

We had to hold him back in Kindergarten until he was 15. It's been a struggle, but I was proud that he got an RJ SIC job in Vietnam when he was 29. Low standards over there, but it got him out of the house!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Clowns, you two aren't fooling anyone, one & the same

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Latest Bid results had 245 new capt awards, and the most junior Capt was over 9200 on the list, which converts to a Sept 2000 hire.

I suspect that you will see 2007/08 hires as capt's within a year maybe a year and a half tops. Its less than 1000 numbers away from them now.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Latest Bid results had 245 new capt awards, and the most junior Capt was over 9200 on the list, which converts to a Sept 2000 hire.

I suspect that you will see 2007/08 hires as capt's within a year maybe a year and a half tops. Its less than 1000 numbers away from them now.

I just peeked at the award posting - the availability of equipment and bases for junior pilots looks wide ranging. Pleasantly surprised.

ACL, think you'll go for the upgrade once its available to you?

Do you have a good idea when the next AE is slated for?

Thanks in advance.

 

[ROSWELL41]

I just peeked at the award posting - the availability of equipment and bases for junior pilots looks wide ranging. Pleasantly surprised.

ACL, think you'll go for the upgrade once its available to you?

Do you have a good idea when the next AE is slated for?

Thanks in advance.

Any idea how quickly one could advance to the right seat of a 'premium' widebody (A330, 765, 777, 744)?

 

[Jiminmem]

Left seat in most narrow bodies is junior to those aircraft in this bid, so still a while.

 

[NuGuy]

Latest Bid results had 245 new capt awards, and the most junior Capt was over 9200 on the list, which converts to a Sept 2000 hire.

Not necessarily. 1998 - 2000 hire, depending on which side of the merger you came from.

For those that don't know, there is a DOH disparity throughout the list depending on which side of the merger you came from, so using that as a touchstone will yield inaccurate results.

NOT saying this to start a SLI debate, but it is what it is. The gap fluctuates depending where on the list you are, and sometimes it's plus, sometimes minus. It can be a couple of months, or a couple of years.

That said, a better picture is painted by overall percentage. Junior upgrades now are in the 80th percentile, but only in NYC on the MD88.

Other bases, even on equipment that pays less, it is in the high 60's to low 70s.

Assuming "junior CA equipment" is the 717, MD88, A319/320 and maybe the 737, the upgrade percentiles on the last bid that was awarded was:

737
ATL 29
CVG 21
DTW 65
LAX 29
NYC 73

A320
ATL 58
DTW 49
NYC 75

MD88
ATL 72
MSP 68
NYC 80

717
ATL 72
DTW 68

Going from 757/767 FO to MD88 Captain is probably a $30-40k pay raise, and probably more work with less QOL, and if at the bottom of the upgrades, you'll go from holding a decent line to reserve.

Junior 330/767-400/777 FO positions are floating around the 70-80 percentile. 747-400 FO spots are in the mid 60's.

What this says is that widebody FO slots TEND to go senior than NB upgrades, for a variety of reasons. The large delta in NYC is because commuting to reserve NB generally has a sub-optimal QoL, and commuting to reserve in NYC even more so.

Just depends on what you want.

Nu

 

[Full of LUV]

Not necessarily. 1998 - 2000 hire, depending on which side of the merger you came from.

For those that don't know, there is a DOH disparity throughout the list depending on which side of the merger you came from, so using that as a touchstone will yield inaccurate results.

NOT saying this to start a SLI debate, but it is what it is. The gap fluctuates depending where on the list you are, and sometimes it's plus, sometimes minus. It can be a couple of months, or a couple of years.

That said, a better picture is painted by overall percentage. Junior upgrades now are in the 80th percentile, but only in NYC on the MD88.

Other bases, even on equipment that pays less, it is in the high 60's to low 70s.

Assuming "junior CA equipment" is the 717, MD88, A319/320 and maybe the 737, the upgrade percentiles on the last bid that was awarded was:

737
ATL 29
CVG 21
DTW 65
LAX 29
NYC 73

A320
ATL 58
DTW 49
NYC 75

MD88
ATL 72
MSP 68
NYC 80

717
ATL 72
DTW 68

Going from 757/767 FO to MD88 Captain is probably a $30-40k pay raise, and probably more work with less QOL, and if at the bottom of the upgrades, you'll go from holding a decent line to reserve.

Junior 330/767-400/777 FO positions are floating around the 70-80 percentile. 747-400 FO spots are in the mid 60's.

What this says is that widebody FO slots TEND to go senior than NB upgrades, for a variety of reasons. The large delta in NYC is because commuting to reserve NB generally has a sub-optimal QoL, and commuting to reserve in NYC even more so.

Just depends on what you want.

Nu

Great info... thanks NU