Delta travel priviledges

[BOX OFFICE]

So you are saying Delta makes the decision for your company where to base its pilots? I believe you knew what a DCI carrier was all about when you took the job? It is flying for a mainline carrier where ever they need that flying done. If the flights start cancelling because of lack crews do to commuting. Delta or anyone else will just move that flying to someone else. Regionals are just a pawn in the system and can be moved to wherever is needed.

Is flame bait or are you really this stupid?

I used to work at a DCI. He speaks the truth. Ever since the Comair strike, DAL plays musical chairs with the DCIs and shuffles all the flying around. This is even worse now with the addition of the NWA bases. So you all are suggesting that $65K 10 year CAs and $40K 6 year FOs should pack up their families and move across the country every time their company changes bases and/or they get bumped? Even if they move, the DCIs need to pay them moving expenses in most contracts. Or should they just live where they're at and commute to the ever changing base? Seems like a no brainer to me.

And YES, I think its unfair that our retirees get on before commuting DCI pilots. If you're retired, you don't have anywhere to be, and honestly, are lucky to even still have pass benefits. The DCI pilots OTH, are feeding our domestic operations. It's bad enough that DAL craps all over them, why do we as pilots have to crap on them too? I'll never get that.

 

[BigPappa]

Plenty of affordable places within a 2 hour drive. Problem is, many think it's their right to commute from 1,000 miles away and then bitch about it when they can't get on a plane due to increased load factors and non-revs traveling on earned benefits.

It is your right! Where have you been? You can stop pushing your personal choices and believes on everybody else now.

 

[ultrarunner]

...Ridiculous to see a 80 yr old retiree get on at Delta while I get can't to work as a Delta Connection pilot....

You're not a Delta Connection Pilot! You're an employee for the low-bid contract carrier. And it'll be a cold day in hell before you bump my father-in-law who put in 35 years, you self-entitled prick!

Any pass-privileges you do get are a gift. You want higher status? Get a job there....

 

[titans10]

Is flame bait or are you really this stupid?

I used to work at a DCI. He speaks the truth. Ever since the Comair strike, DAL plays musical chairs with the DCIs and shuffles all the flying around. This is even worse now with the addition of the NWA bases. So you all are suggesting that $65K 10 year CAs and $40K 6 year FOs should pack up their families and move across the country every time their company changes bases and/or they get bumped? Even if they move, the DCIs need to pay them moving expenses in most contracts. Or should they just live where they're at and commute to the ever changing base? Seems like a no brainer to me.

And YES, I think its unfair that our retirees get on before commuting DCI pilots. If you're retired, you don't have anywhere to be, and honestly, are lucky to even still have pass benefits. The DCI pilots OTH, are feeding our domestic operations. It's bad enough that DAL craps all over them, why do we as pilots have to crap on them too? I'll never get that.

When you took the job at an DCI carrier did you not know that delta could move flying around? So, you will vote to give up flying priviledges for retirees that they have earn over the years to have a pilot from another carrier get on before them. Next time you take your family on vacation you just do that. That is the choice everyone has to make where to live. It is a choice.

 

[titans10]

I don't have an issue with retirees going first on thier company's flights. I do have issue with them going first on my flights and even more so thier kids going first when they aren't even traveling with the retiree.

Does your flights have your companies name in big letters on the side of the aircraft?

 

[XPOO]

Does your flights have your companies name in big letters on the side of the aircraft?

The answer is yes, yes and yes.

 

[filejw]

The really sad thing here is how fast people are willing to grab something promised years ago to an employee who is now retired.You all should make great CEO's

 

[jonjuan]

The answer is yes, yes and yes.

He said on the side, not on the tail. Let's pay attention next time.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

The really sad thing here is how fast people are willing to grab something promised years ago to an employee who is now retired.You all should make great CEO's

Funny, I had several things promised to me over the years that have been taken away. Pay, Longevitey, Pass travel, Seniority, Flow through.... Again, I don't have an issue with retirees, I do have an issue with their kids bumping me when the retiree isn't even with them.
As for just get a job there, I would if you wouldn't keep outsourcing all your flying to the lowest bidder so that there would be a job there to be hired into.

 

[Explosive]

Funny, I had several things promised to me over the years that have been taken away. Pay, Longevitey, Pass travel, Seniority, Flow through.... Again, I don't have an issue with retirees, I do have an issue with their kids bumping me when the retiree isn't even with them.
As for just get a job there, I would if you wouldn't keep outsourcing all your flying to the lowest bidder so that there would be a job there to be hired into.

The flow through was never promised to you.

The right of any company pilot to Flow Down to MSA, or MSA pilot to
Flow Up to NWA, pursuant to the terms of this Letter of Agreement, shall
be effective only so long as MSA remains an Affiliate of the Company,
provided the parties will, prior to the termination of the Flow through
rights referenced herein, meet and confer for the purpose of discussing
whether continuation or modification of this Flow Through Agreement
would be appropriate given the circumstances at that time.

 

[altimaklr]

Always enjoy listening to mainline pilots pipe in about hard earned benefits and low-budget contractors. The current generation of mainline pilots sold out the future generations of airline pilots by giving up scope and damning a whole generation of pilots to C-scale wages with no future or benefits. And you still took 50% pay cuts. American pilots are now get paid less than most pilots in the third world. Good job guys, you keep telling the young whippersnappers who's boss!

 

[silver02ex]

You just answered the question? That was a Delta retiree and he was a comair employeee. Does not matter how long they worked for mainline that is how it is.

Right, but that person has been there a year and is already a retiree. It's not like the guy put in 20+ years with Delta and is bumping the Comair guy.

 

[silver02ex]

And it'll be a cold day in hell before you bump my father-in-law who put in 35 years, you self-entitled prick!

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He will if your father in-law is traveling on a Pinnacle flight.

As a Delta Connection pilot, I just avoid Delta flight as much as I can. My choice is always Southwest before Delta. I don't agree with some of the priority, like how our Parents are below buddy passes. The way I see is, I don't like it, I don't have to use it. I'll take the pre board that SWA gives jumpseater over the last seat Delta gives me, and not have to worry about checking my bags if i'm the last one on. Plus I can forget about first class since I will probably be #20 on the wait list behind all the UP3 or UP5 at Delta.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

When you took the job at an DCI carrier did you not know that delta could move flying around? So, you will vote to give up flying priviledges for retirees that they have earn over the years to have a pilot from another carrier get on before them. Next time you take your family on vacation you just do that. That is the choice everyone has to make where to live. It is a choice.

What... we get to vote?

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Always enjoy listening to mainline pilots pipe in about hard earned benefits and low-budget contractors. The current generation of mainline pilots sold out the future generations of airline pilots by giving up scope and damning a whole generation of pilots to C-scale wages with no future or benefits. And you still took 50% pay cuts. American pilots are now get paid less than most pilots in the third world. Good job guys, you keep telling the young whippersnappers who's boss!

^^^ This.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

You're not a Delta Connection Pilot! You're an employee for the low-bid contract carrier. And it'll be a cold day in hell before you bump my father-in-law who put in 35 years, you self-entitled prick!

Any pass-privileges you do get are a gift. You want higher status? Get a job there....

Do YOU work at Delta? If not, then shut your pie hole and mind your own business. If you do, then consider that screwing the Connection pilots also screws us in the long run when they can't commute, sick out, and flights cancel.

 

[filejw]

^^^ This.

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[filejw]

CEO'sFunny, I had several things promised to me over the years that have been taken away. Pay, Longevitey, Pass travel, Seniority, Flow through.... Again, I don't have an issue with retirees, I do have an issue with their kids bumping me when the retiree isn't even with them.
As for just get a job there, I would if you wouldn't keep outsourcing all your flying to the lowest bidder so that there would be a job there to be hired into


The people who gave everything away are long gone...

 

[RJLoser]

This issue/problem could have been avoided/reduced by hanging on to scope.

 

[makersmarc]

One mainline company I am thinking of has made some of the CPAs so restrictive that companies basically have no reserve crews. Idiotic on mainline's part. If you're going to outsource, at least outsource right. It would be like an airline outsourcing engine maintenance to an engine manufacturer and then the airline tells them "but you're not allowed to change any fan blades, no matter what. It costs too much."

+1 Very well stated.

 

[JustaNumber]

I just heard of an extreme example, that nevertheless shows the absurdity of the priority system. (I'm not sure if it's true, but I'm passing along what I heard). My (DCI) FO was trying to nonrev to work, and recognized two pot-smoking twenty-something losers who were also trying to nonrev at the gate. They happened to be the sons of a family friend. This friend had once worked for Northeast Airlines in the 1970's, for six years as a FA. She also was on medical disability for 4 years, making her 10-year total employment qualify for lifetime retiree benefits. Northeast merged into Republic (the original one), which merged into Northwest, which merged into Delta. The two pot-smoker losers got on before my FO.

 

[Flyer1015]

commuting is a choice, brah....:beer:

...so is a 80 yr old going on a vacation. And for many pilots, commuting is not a choice. Especially those Mesa and Colgan types where bases open and close like it's a day of the week. You cannot uproot your family and move every 8 months.

 

[Flyer1015]

You're not a Delta Connection Pilot! You're an employee for the low-bid contract carrier. And it'll be a cold day in hell before you bump my father-in-law who put in 35 years, you self-entitled prick!

Actually, I AM a Delta Connection pilot. Sure I work for a contracted carrier, but my regional airline does not sell tickets. They are ALL sold by Delta. People book on Delta. They book a flight from Pittsburgh to Rome via Atlanta, and no one knows the PIT to ATL flight is on a RJ operated by Pinnacle. My airline operates 142 jets throughout the Delta system. Now that we've merged with another Delta Connection carrier, we operate 202 RJs for Delta.

"Self entitled prick"? Hey, I'm just trying to get to work. Sure, go ahead, let that retiree get to where he's going, while I'm left behind and then have to call in honest. One time, due to lack of staffing, my flights were actually cancelled then. Your retiree getting onboard just cost Delta passengers a couple cancellations. Sure, we don't staff properly, but it wouldn't have been an issue if a working pilot could have gone on before a retiree, even if it's a contracted carrier. Because here is the bottom line: Delta Connection makes up almost half of the domestic operations of Delta. For Delta's own operational benefit, we Delta Connection pilots do matter.

Any pass-privileges you do get are a gift.

How about "any pass-privilieges you do get as a retiree is a gift." GM retirees got industry leading medical bennies even throughout retirement and were taken good care of by GM in a retirees golden years. That was years ago, and today, you get a middle finger when you retire. So why don't you consider yourself lucky. And during the time your father worked the 35 years at Delta, Delta did not have nearly 50% of their domestic ops being operated as Delta Connection. Today, they do.

You want higher status? Get a job there....

Sure, why don't you hire first? I already heard about an internal Delta memo stating no planned hiring for 2012.

 

[flyboyike]

So you are saying Delta makes the decision for your company where to base its pilots?

Correct.

 

[flyboyike]

Always enjoy listening to mainline pilots pipe in about hard earned benefits and low-budget contractors. The current generation of mainline pilots sold out the future generations of airline pilots by giving up scope and damning a whole generation of pilots to C-scale wages with no future or benefits.

That's OK as long as their fathers-in-law get on before us "self-entitled (which is not even proper English) pricks". As long as that's the case, all is well in the garden.

 

[flyboyike]

"Self entitled prick"? Hey, I'm just trying to get to work. Sure, go ahead, let that retiree get to where he's going, while I'm left behind and then have to call in honest. One time, due to lack of staffing, my flights were actually cancelled then. Your retiree getting onboard just cost Delta passengers a couple cancellations. Sure, we don't staff properly, but it wouldn't have been an issue if a working pilot could have gone on before a retiree, even if it's a contracted carrier. Because here is the bottom line: Delta Connection makes up almost half of the domestic operations of Delta. For Delta's own operational benefit, we Delta Connection pilots do matter.

That's why I try two flights and that's it. If I don't get on twice, I call in commuter clause. The way I see it, if I'm not entitled to priority, they're not entitled to any effort from me beyond what is required, which is two flights.

 

[filejw]

Correct.

Delta decides where you fly not your crew bases, that's up to your company.
And as far as getting to work, I'm sure DAL
will use any canceled flights for lack of crew during performance evaluation of the contract you are flying for them.

 

[flyboyike]

Delta decides where you fly not your crew bases, that's up to your company.

To-may-to, to-mah-to.

 

[silver02ex]

Delta decides where you fly not your crew bases, that's up to your company.
.

Wrong! Back in 2007 when Pinnacle was award Delta flying (while we were still flying for Northwest) Delta wanted us to open SLC and ATL based. Pinnacle told Delta that they would not make any money with 2 base and 16 airplanes. Which is why Delta told Pinnacle just to open up the ATL base. So it is mainline who tells us which base they want from us.

 

[jonjuan]

Do YOU work at Delta? If not, then shut your pie hole and mind your own business. If you do, then consider that screwing the Connection pilots also screws us in the long run when they can't commute, sick out, and flights cancel.

Ummmm, ever heard of ready reserves sweet cheeks?