Delta travel priviledges

[RJLoser]

If a flight cancells then I believe your DCI carrier should look into why you could not get to work. They do not make you live out of base. YOu decided to. So the blame should and will come down to you. NOt an Mainline employee or Retiree. I believe a mainline employee should get priority on ever flight that has there name on it.

Living in base is difficult when you are a DCI pilot. Delta changes things so often pilots are always moving. Ultimately, when a DCI pilot is bumped and a flight is cancelled....it's YOUR customers getting screwed.

 

[altimaklr]

Most people can't live near JFK or LGA on $30-60k

 

[jonjuan]

Living in base is difficult when you are a DCI pilot. Delta changes things so often pilots are always moving. Ultimately, when a DCI pilot is bumped and a flight is cancelled....it's YOUR customers getting screwed.

That's what reserves are for-it's a back-up for people getting sick, missing commutes, etc. rarely do flights get cancelled because people decide to commute, can't do so because loads are highs and they start blaming retirees trying to go see sick family members.
Move to base and don't start pumping out the kids as a 2nd year FO making 30K/year.

 

[jonjuan]

Most people can't live near JFK or LGA on $30-60k

Plenty of affordable places within a 2 hour drive. Problem is, many think it's their right to commute from 1,000 miles away and then bitch about it when they can't get on a plane due to increased load factors and non-revs traveling on earned benefits.

 

[silver02ex]

Why do you think you should get a higher pass privligde than an retiree who has put in years for that airline?

Years? I just saw a 2010 hire listed as retiree go in front of a Comair guy who was hired in the 80's today.

But Delta is pass is good if you use it for international flights, since we don't have to pay extra for Business class. Travelnet is great since I can sit at the gate and see if I will get on or not.

 

[skypine69]

Cant tell you how nice it is to have a paid ticket to work now. I am Gold on DL, and get upgraded more often than not. Fell sorry for those poor bastards going to the front to beg for a jumpseat (and sit in the actual) while I am in first class with a cocktail.

 

[DYLIN]

If a flight cancells then I believe your DCI carrier should look into why you could not get to work. They do not make you live out of base. YOu decided to. So the blame should and will come down to you. NOt an Mainline employee or Retiree. I believe a mainline employee should get priority on ever flight that has there name on it.

Hey, don't tell me, I live in base.

What I was saying though, was that a retiree can work for the competition and use their retiree benefits. filejw mentions that is not permitted but I'm sure it happens and the person I talked to seemed to have no qualms about planning to do just that.

One mainline company I am thinking of has made some of the CPAs so restrictive that companies basically have no reserve crews. Idiotic on mainline's part. If you're going to outsource, at least outsource right. It would be like an airline outsourcing engine maintenance to an engine manufacturer and then the airline tells them "but you're not allowed to change any fan blades, no matter what. It costs too much."

 

[titans10]

Living in base is difficult when you are a DCI pilot. Delta changes things so often pilots are always moving. Ultimately, when a DCI pilot is bumped and a flight is cancelled....it's YOUR customers getting screwed.

So you are saying Delta makes the decision for your company where to base its pilots? I believe you knew what a DCI carrier was all about when you took the job? It is flying for a mainline carrier where ever they need that flying done. If the flights start cancelling because of lack crews do to commuting. Delta or anyone else will just move that flying to someone else. Regionals are just a pawn in the system and can be moved to wherever is needed.

 

[titans10]

Years? I just saw a 2010 hire listed as retiree go in front of a Comair guy who was hired in the 80's today.

But Delta is pass is good if you use it for international flights, since we don't have to pay extra for Business class. Travelnet is great since I can sit at the gate and see if I will get on or not.

You just answered the question? That was a Delta retiree and he was a comair employeee. Does not matter how long they worked for mainline that is how it is.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I don't have an issue with retirees going first on thier company's flights. I do have issue with them going first on my flights and even more so thier kids going first when they aren't even traveling with the retiree.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

So you are saying Delta makes the decision for your company where to base its pilots? I believe you knew what a DCI carrier was all about when you took the job? It is flying for a mainline carrier where ever they need that flying done. If the flights start cancelling because of lack crews do to commuting. Delta or anyone else will just move that flying to someone else. Regionals are just a pawn in the system and can be moved to wherever is needed.

Is flame bait or are you really this stupid?

I used to work at a DCI. He speaks the truth. Ever since the Comair strike, DAL plays musical chairs with the DCIs and shuffles all the flying around. This is even worse now with the addition of the NWA bases. So you all are suggesting that $65K 10 year CAs and $40K 6 year FOs should pack up their families and move across the country every time their company changes bases and/or they get bumped? Even if they move, the DCIs need to pay them moving expenses in most contracts. Or should they just live where they're at and commute to the ever changing base? Seems like a no brainer to me.

And YES, I think its unfair that our retirees get on before commuting DCI pilots. If you're retired, you don't have anywhere to be, and honestly, are lucky to even still have pass benefits. The DCI pilots OTH, are feeding our domestic operations. It's bad enough that DAL craps all over them, why do we as pilots have to crap on them too? I'll never get that.

 

[BigPappa]

Plenty of affordable places within a 2 hour drive. Problem is, many think it's their right to commute from 1,000 miles away and then bitch about it when they can't get on a plane due to increased load factors and non-revs traveling on earned benefits.

It is your right! Where have you been? You can stop pushing your personal choices and believes on everybody else now.

 

[ultrarunner]

...Ridiculous to see a 80 yr old retiree get on at Delta while I get can't to work as a Delta Connection pilot....

You're not a Delta Connection Pilot! You're an employee for the low-bid contract carrier. And it'll be a cold day in hell before you bump my father-in-law who put in 35 years, you self-entitled prick!

Any pass-privileges you do get are a gift. You want higher status? Get a job there....

 

[titans10]

Is flame bait or are you really this stupid?

I used to work at a DCI. He speaks the truth. Ever since the Comair strike, DAL plays musical chairs with the DCIs and shuffles all the flying around. This is even worse now with the addition of the NWA bases. So you all are suggesting that $65K 10 year CAs and $40K 6 year FOs should pack up their families and move across the country every time their company changes bases and/or they get bumped? Even if they move, the DCIs need to pay them moving expenses in most contracts. Or should they just live where they're at and commute to the ever changing base? Seems like a no brainer to me.

And YES, I think its unfair that our retirees get on before commuting DCI pilots. If you're retired, you don't have anywhere to be, and honestly, are lucky to even still have pass benefits. The DCI pilots OTH, are feeding our domestic operations. It's bad enough that DAL craps all over them, why do we as pilots have to crap on them too? I'll never get that.

When you took the job at an DCI carrier did you not know that delta could move flying around? So, you will vote to give up flying priviledges for retirees that they have earn over the years to have a pilot from another carrier get on before them. Next time you take your family on vacation you just do that. That is the choice everyone has to make where to live. It is a choice.

 

[titans10]

I don't have an issue with retirees going first on thier company's flights. I do have issue with them going first on my flights and even more so thier kids going first when they aren't even traveling with the retiree.

Does your flights have your companies name in big letters on the side of the aircraft?

 

[XPOO]

Does your flights have your companies name in big letters on the side of the aircraft?

The answer is yes, yes and yes.

 

[filejw]

The really sad thing here is how fast people are willing to grab something promised years ago to an employee who is now retired.You all should make great CEO's

 

[jonjuan]

The answer is yes, yes and yes.

He said on the side, not on the tail. Let's pay attention next time.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

The really sad thing here is how fast people are willing to grab something promised years ago to an employee who is now retired.You all should make great CEO's

Funny, I had several things promised to me over the years that have been taken away. Pay, Longevitey, Pass travel, Seniority, Flow through.... Again, I don't have an issue with retirees, I do have an issue with their kids bumping me when the retiree isn't even with them.
As for just get a job there, I would if you wouldn't keep outsourcing all your flying to the lowest bidder so that there would be a job there to be hired into.

 

[Explosive]

Funny, I had several things promised to me over the years that have been taken away. Pay, Longevitey, Pass travel, Seniority, Flow through.... Again, I don't have an issue with retirees, I do have an issue with their kids bumping me when the retiree isn't even with them.
As for just get a job there, I would if you wouldn't keep outsourcing all your flying to the lowest bidder so that there would be a job there to be hired into.

The flow through was never promised to you.

The right of any company pilot to Flow Down to MSA, or MSA pilot to
Flow Up to NWA, pursuant to the terms of this Letter of Agreement, shall
be effective only so long as MSA remains an Affiliate of the Company,
provided the parties will, prior to the termination of the Flow through
rights referenced herein, meet and confer for the purpose of discussing
whether continuation or modification of this Flow Through Agreement
would be appropriate given the circumstances at that time.