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Jittery vendors add to woes as Delta revamps

By RUSSELL GRANTHAM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 06/22/04

Some of Delta Air Lines' vendors want cash upfront because of the carrier's financial woes, but executives say they also see signs that pilots and suppliers are considering concessions to help revive the airline.

Delta Chief Executive Gerald Grinstein said Delta may also need to shed some hubs and pattern more of its operations after discount carriers as part of a broad-based restructuring.

"I think Delta will look very different a year from now," said Grinstein, speaking to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution's editorial board on Monday. Grinstein ordered a top-to-bottom strategic review when he became CEO Jan. 1.

Delta expects to complete the review this summer.

First, Delta must deal with some suppliers' growing jitters. Delta now has to prepay for use of air traffic control services in Canada, Grinstein said.

He also noted that Delta's declining credit rating has reduced its ability to cut hedging contracts to buffer high jet fuel costs. Grinstein said other vendors are cutting off credit but declined to provide details.

He said a spike in pilot retirements could crimp Delta's cash flow if it doesn't have enough trained replacements. Almost 290 Delta pilots retired this month because of the airline's financial condition and fears of rising interest rates, which lower the value of their nest eggs.

Still, in a hint of progress, Delta's pilots union last week said it will resume stalled concession talks. Grinstein said he expects to get an offer from the union next month.

Delta's new finance chief, Mike Palumbo, indicated that some of Delta's lenders, aircraft lessors and other backers are now listening to requests for relief.

Delta "should be able to communicate and negotiate" with key backers, said Palumbo, to craft a broad concession package concurrent with a pilot deal. That has been a long-standing demand of the Air Line Pilots Association.

More than a year ago, Delta asked its pilots, the highest-paid in the industry, for phased-in concessions and that would cut salaries about 30 percent and alter work rules. The union offered concessions worth about one-third as much.

Delta's demands have since risen as its financial condition has worsened, said Grinstein,who added it's "too late" for the union to accept Delta's earlier demands. Delta has warned it may have to restructure in a Chapter 11 bankruptcy if it cannot reduce pilot costs sufficiently.

A pilot union spokeswoman declined to discuss the union's coming offer.

Grinstein said Delta's survival also depends on cutting overall costs and devising more competitive products and operations.

"Not all of us are going to survive," he said. He believes only two or three major network carriers will survive the rise of Internet ticket shopping and low-cost carriers' growing market share.

One cost-saving move may include spreading flights at hubs more evenly across the day, reducing the time spent waiting between flights for Delta's employees and aircraft.

Grinstein said Delta may do more point-to-point flying, and may develop a portfolio of products aimed at different customers.

Grinstein said Song, Delta's low-fare unit flying mainly between Florida and the Northeast, has done better than he expected. As a board member when the unit was started 14 months ago, Grinstein said, he was skeptical.

He joked that he told the board, "If you put 'swan' in front of it, I'd be for it." He said he still thinks Song, with its lime green aircraft paint scheme, is "a bit garish" but added it has "turned out much better than I thought."


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Does anyone know if the Comair (Delta Connection) pilots will be looked at for concessions either in or out of bankruptcy?
 
jettypeguy said:
Does anyone know if the Comair (Delta Connection) pilots will be looked at for concessions either in or out of bankruptcy?
Comair and ASA are speaking with Grinstein about a possible merger to save DL money. It will be in Aviation Daily tomorrow.

Very pro-active move, but it won't be enough.
 
Sounds like Lowecur is trying to short the stock----and one of his last guesses was that everyone was going to buy EMB-190s....

Doubtful Grinstein would get his whole new team together and then have the whole show run by a judge. Dalpa will get assurances that there will be proper financing or there will be no deal----and there looks like some negotiations will take place. Take a look at this---Dalpa demanded this and got it:


"Delta's new finance chief, Mike Palumbo, indicated that some of Delta's lenders, aircraft lessors and other backers are now listening to requests for relief.

Delta "should be able to communicate and negotiate" with key backers, said Palumbo, to craft a broad concession package concurrent with a pilot deal. That has been a long-standing demand of the Air Line Pilots Association."


I am soooo glad Lowecur is certain on this matter. Lowecur for management negotiator!

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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"I think Delta will look very different a year from now," said Grinstein


Appears Gerald may be on to something there...
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040622/cltu071_1.html

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040617/clth033_1.html

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040611/clf012_1.html

Maybe I have missed the press releases but I don't recall mainline United and US Air adding/ expanding many routes. I'm sure DAL has cutback other routes to compensate for this right??...or maybe it's a new corporate strategy to expand operations when a company is soooooo dangerously close to bankruptcy?? I don't get it...All I know is that the pilot's don't have any other choice because Gerald and his media buddies have said so.
 
jettypeguy said:
Does anyone know if the Comair (Delta Connection) pilots will be looked at for concessions either in or out of bankruptcy?
Eagle gave NOTHING to the AA turn around. So yes, you could be spared.
 
G4G5 said:
Eagle gave NOTHING to the AA turn around. So yes, you could be spared.
AMR didn't go into Chapter 11 either. If AMR had, it might have been a different story.
 
It's about time!!


Delta DOES need to look different! Sound like GG is finally getting a clue.

Delta needs to change or won't survive it its current form, ala UAL.

We will give (big probably), but give DL a plan!

All for now,

DLslug

P.S. Hey General...any news on when an offer will be made?
 
I have to laugh at the comment regarding sit times for crews and aircraft. How long have pilots been telling management that it is inefficient to have planes and pilots sitting around the hub?! They make it sound like some management epiphany!
 
Look at the Enquirer

jettypeguy said:
Does anyone know if the Comair (Delta Connection) pilots will be looked at for concessions either in or out of bankruptcy?
Hey, if you want to know more about what will happen at Comair or ASA, there are some pretty interesting senarios in the Cincinnati Equirer from this past Sunday.
 
Sleepy,

Let me guess, you are going into the ATC business......Right? Good for you---You need to leave ASA soon. Seriously.

Grinstein said this:

One cost-saving move may include spreading flights at hubs more evenly across the day, reducing the time spent waiting between flights for Delta's employees and aircraft.

Grinstein said Delta may do more point-to-point flying, and may develop a portfolio of products aimed at different customers.

Grinstein said Song, Delta's low-fare unit flying mainly between Florida and the Northeast, has done better than he expected. As a board member when the unit was started 14 months ago, Grinstein said, he was skeptical.

He joked that he told the board, "If you put 'swan' in front of it, I'd be for it." He said he still thinks Song, with its lime green aircraft paint scheme, is "a bit garish" but added it has "turned out much better than I thought."



Some of that is obvious, but it looks like DFW might be gone eventually--or maybe a lot of cherry picking point to point flights. It sounds like he still likes Song. And, he may develop a "portfolio" of products----like Song and "dance"----I hope he has a plan--and we should know a little more by AUG.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
GG already has a portfolio of products. It is called the "Portfolio Concept", and it was invented by Portfolio Fred.
 
Grinstein said that he doesn't think RJs are the answer--and they shouldn't fly our "loyal" pax for more than 2 hours. As far as 100 seaters, he also said that "he couldn't see DCI flying them."


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
FDJ2 said:
AMR didn't go into Chapter 11 either. If AMR had, it might have been a different story.
And the only thing that kept AMR out of Ch 11 was the concessions made by the American employees. Concessions like the 2,400 pilots currently out on the street.
 
General Lee said:
Grinstein said that he doesn't think RJs are the answer--and they shouldn't fly our "loyal" pax for more than 2 hours. As far as 100 seaters, he also said that "he couldn't see DCI flying them."


Bye Bye--General Lee
Could he have been telling you guys what you wanted to hear?
 
As far as 100 seaters, he also said that "he couldn't see DCI flying them."



I'm just curious, but when and where did GG say this ??


 
RJCAP,


He stated that exactly in the SLC "Jerry's kids" meeting he had with all of the SLC employees--not just the pilots. A lot of the other employees---ticket counter people etc--(many flew in from the Montana stations--like Bozeman) were concerned about the RJ growth--even though the loads are there to support 737s. (the reason the 737s aren't there is because Delta found other additional routes for them apparently---like extra to MSP, DTW, and ORD from SLC) Since we parked all of the 727s--we don't have many extra 110-140 seat aircraft left.

X-ream-me,

Sure, he could have been stating what we "wanted to hear", but he also stated that to the press---and I think I posted that article stating Grinstein didn't think people wanted to fly on RJs longer than 2 1/2 hours (he said 2 hours to the SLC people, and 2 1/2 to the press). Face it, the passengers are back in "numbers", it's just the fares are half. We need to have a cost reduction, and part of that will come from Dalpa and creditors....

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Grinstein said that he doesn't think RJs are the answer--and they shouldn't fly our "loyal" pax for more than 2 hours. As far as 100 seaters, he also said that "he couldn't see DCI flying them."


Bye Bye--General Lee
No General,

My point is that you are already in the "Portfolio". I attended a meeting where Portfolio Fred presented his "concept", and you are a part of it. So is the SkyTeam. There is no telling how the portfolio will look after Ch11.
 

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