Delta to Drop CHQ?

[General Lee]

General Lee,

What a waste time this is for me, but you have finally warranted comment. Just how responsible for the "ball rolling" is every single DL pilot who has willingly taken a pay cut? A pay cut proportionally higher than the SKY pilots 50 to 70 seat pay disparity!!!!

Dude! Look in the mirror you none-falling-on-your-own-sword-piece-of-viagra-inflated-reproductively-challeged crap slinger.

With the exception of the nearly scabbed-out GJ pilots, we are all doing the best we can in an absolutely terrible situation, which is not of our own making.

In the end it's about food on the table, while enjoying what we do for a living. You and your ilk would deny me the chance to fly a more comfortable and safer piece of regional equipment. A piece of equipment which would you would never allow on your property for anything approaching a revenue generating range.

I fly it for the same rate I flew a turboprop, but it is safer and gives me a higher quality of life than I had on the prop by virtue of more interesting overnights and less noise related stress.

Tell me something you puke sack....how much sleep do you lose, knowing you have put so many bus drivers out of business by providing a safer and quicker means of transportation?

Dude!!!! Stick to the MAJORS board where all the other ED testimonials hang out.

Thanks,

PS. And change your handle. You disrespect an honorable man.

Oh really???? I guess you missed the part about our group bringing the wages to THE HIGHEST POINT EVER? We raised the bar higher than anyone else, EVER. We helped Southwest and FedEx get what they have today, and they would agree. The SkyWest pilots BLEW IT when they, under the guise of maybe losing the UAL contract (that was signed again the NEXT MORNING by 7am according to press releases), signed up for GROWTH and blending pay rates for the first time EVER at the regional level. The more experienced pilots---the senior ones---all VOTED NO. The junior Captains, looking for a line of time and better QOL, and MOST OF THE FOs who wanted that quick upgrade so they could get that 1000 hours of PIC that will get them nowhere now---all voted YES. Now they can't even get their 1.2% raise---and even though it was good you voted the next TA down---they still have NO RECOURSE. What will they do now? We took our pay cuts under the assumption that we would stay out of BK---and we had the books to prove it. I guess you knew oil was about to skyrocket (SkyWest doesn't care--we pay the difference for them---thanks guys!). Man alive, you know EVERYTHING. You probably knew about 9-11 in advance? Why didn't you tell anyone?

Oh, you need to fly a "more comfortable and safer piece of equipment" eh? You idiot----you can't wait to fly that CR9 for the same wage as the 50 seater because you think chicks dig the longer RJ(the same pay scale will happen to you too eventually)........ Safer and more comfortable? That has the same cockpit as the other CRJ's...... and just as cramped. When will you learn? Never it seems.

And, as I have stated many times before---must have been when you were still in High School---Herpe High---My name deals with the car on the show the Dukes of Hazard. See, you learn something new every day. Now go off and pop some zits.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I'm trying really hard to be diplomatic, so here we go again: You're missing the point!!!! You keep repeating that "SkyWest understands this" regarding paying less on the 70 than others... I get what you're saying, I'm just telling you that this is no miracle plan from J.A. to save the company even more money because they're paying less for "junior" guys to fly the CR7, point is the total cost to the operation is the same regardless...So there's no giant savings for SkyWest even if it were true that the that the junior guys were bidding the CR7 and senior guys the 50! The total cost to the company is the same because they still have an overall total crew cost based on total seniority in both aircraft.

Thanks for being diplomatic, but you are really missing the big picture here. You have one pay rate for jets from 50 to 99 seats. We do the same for the 757 and 767, but we raised the 757 rates to meet the higher 767 rates. That would be like you having a higher CR7 rate, and then eventually bringing your 50 seat rates up to meet the 70's. Sure the total cost to the company is the same, because you fly the same rate for both planes. That is not good. You deserve more pay on the 70 seater. Can you not see that? If you did get paid differently, like everyone else except Comair due to your deal, you would see even more of a shift in seniority to that plane---for the money. That is NORMAL. That is what happens to professionals. The bigger the plane usually, the more money. It brings in more revenue for the company, and the pilots are usually compensated as such. Your 50 seat rates (and 70 now) are not top scale. Throw in the fact that your junior pilots fly the left seat of the CR7 more often than the senior guys who protest, and the company gets an unexpected bonus----lower costs for the larger plane and more revenue at the same time. Ronny R, Brad H, and JA are high fiving each other right now, and wait---here comes the Comair President too---running in to join in the group high fives!! Awesome. I think Brian Lebreque is waiting to come in for ASA, and Brian Bedford at CHQ is in the crapper currently, but he will be in soon......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

General,

Why do you constantly beat this dead mule? Your sounding like a skipping Britney Spears record, and about as fun to listen to. Are you just doing a copy and paste in 99% of your posts? I think everyone understands what you think. Lets wrap it up and move on.. my hell....

 

[Illinois]

General,

It wasn't just a good deal for Skywest. Delta gets something out of it! Maybe it was an ok deal for Delta. Maybe it was the best of the worst. But I'd bet my salary against yours that your managers would do it again. I doubt Delta's board would sign-off on something that only produces gains for another entity. It is disingenuous to imply otherwise.

Reber brags about the fuel agreement? Have you heard him speak during anything besides an investors call? I haven't. What would you expect him to say when institutional investers ask him about how fuel prices effect SKYW? You need to quit trying to stir up a hornet's nest with this "bragging" stuff. That's what a successful company does during a conference call, big guy!

What regional did you work for? How long were you there?

Would you mind answering these questions, GL?

 

[JJs Cantina]

Back to the subject this was all started about. Word on the street is all CHQ 145 classes have been canceled indefinately. Fact: BB was in Atlanta early this week discussing CHQ's future with Dleta. All is speculation, but I think that everyone needs to start preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. When a CEO is asking his employees to "pray"... not good. But it is BB so who knows.

 

[8HourPilot]

The "prayer" thing is pretty regular, that's not the thing that is concerning. The cancellation of classes, that's a red flag. There are a couple of thought's out there, good and bad. We shall see what happens come this friday, supposedly.
Personally, I'm starting to think it's a trade of 145/135's for 170's. That's just me, simply an opinion though.
Also, AND I AM NOT SURE OF THIS I heard that we are now more expensive than Comair, I DONT KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE , but if it is, thats a concern as well.
Comair guys, dont take that as a shot at you, we all know you did a hell of a job a few years back, and whats going on now is unfortunate to say the least.
I was sitting at home this morning thinking (after being gone 6 days) wouldnt it be nice if I could just count on having a job after a year? Already been laid off once, and my year anniversary is in 2 days.

 

[saviboy]

got the word today from a friend of mine who is currently in class.
F.............................CK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:nuts:

 

[buscap]

In my opinion, the CHQ pilots are better off not beng forced into competing for DCI flying anyway. This is going to get uglier before it gets better.

It's not personal. It's business. And pilots at our level have a lot less control over how this shakes out than we think. The race to the bottom is going to run itself out, wether we like it or not. Living in the past on these issues will not help. We could easily find ourselves once again defending positions like 737 Flight Engineers.

This race is no different than the one we all gleefully participate in, every time we buy a Chines made television at Wal-Mart instead of an American made model at a Mom&Pop appliance store.

We made this bed as a nation. Now let's sleep in it!!!

 

[buscap]

and another thing...The stupid car on Dukes of Hazard was also disrespectful.

 

[General Lee]

Would you mind answering these questions, GL?

I read his "bragging" in an employee monthly paper my friend sent me. I used his exact words. And, I flew for a "commuter" out of MDW in the early 90's.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

and another thing...The stupid car on Dukes of Hazard was also disrespectful.

Stupid is as stupid does. Nice Snoopy avatar.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[hey]

What a surprise, another thread with people bi***ing back and forth......

 

[regionaltard]

Oh really???? I guess you missed the part about our group bringing the wages to THE HIGHEST POINT EVER? We raised the bar higher than anyone else, EVER.

In real dollars, that simply isn't true. Besides, your pilot group just stood on United's shoulders. They did the heavy lifting. If you want to talk about what Delta's accomplished on its own, the destruction of alter-ego protection in our industry would be as good a place as any to start...

 

[Illinois]

General,

What should Reber have said and done? Anyone can criticise, Sport. Let us know what you would have done differently?

Skywest gave Delta a bunch of cash, and took over their ASA RJ debt. Taking over debt isn't assuming any risk for Delta in your mind? Delta was on the ropes, and accepted Skywest's offer. Complain about DL if you don't like the terms!

I would imagine now you are going to claim labor rates are what made the deal so attractive. Well...not really. We are not the cheapest 70 seat labor or operator. Secondly, the ASA purchase and contract extension was about cash and debt. We had the cash, and SGU believes the ability to manage YOUR company's former debt.

I would now imagine that you are going to claim we are solely responsible for starting the ball down the hill regarding payrates. The 700 for 200 rate was short-sighted and dumb. No doubt! We had a bunch of folks that believed we worked in a vacuum, and SGU would change the rates later. MGT implemented the Bonus Program, and feels it is the implied reach around. Performance rewards is decent money for those eligible, but our pilot group still wants the rate issues worked out. 1.2% wasn't good enough, and we honorably said no. Yes General, 1.2 is probably gone. Feel better? Concentrating on work rules seems to be in vogue. I know...SAPA has no teeth, and you're right. Feel even better now?

You constantly choose to berate Skywest pilot's for the 700 for 200 crap. Maybe you feel that by doing so you are educating us with your broad reach via FlightInfo, and this will give us the strength to be a real pilot group someday. Or perhaps you are simply a guy who finds it easiest to build a straw man against me rather than confronting your groups short sightedness. The former is pretty foolish (almost as much as me responding) and arrogant. 50-99 seats is done. It ain't changin anymore than RJ's with mainline paint on them. Did you vote for any contract that allowed a turbo fan powered CRJ or EMB in Delta colors? I know you did, and that is where this WHOLE crap storm begins.

The answer is solidarity from here on out. No more outsourcing mainline code. No more regional vs. mainline stuff. Props to long-haul equipment should be flown by people on the same seniority list. It may be a pipe dream, but I don't see many other option with the waters so muddied.

Good day.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Back to the subject this was all started about. Word on the street is all CHQ 145 classes have been canceled indefinately. Fact: BB was in Atlanta early this week discussing CHQ's future with Dleta. All is speculation, but I think that everyone needs to start preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. When a CEO is asking his employees to "pray"... not good. But it is BB so who knows.

correct. he was in ATL yesterday, Feb 28th... Hope for the best.....