Delta to buy Jetblue?

[WNFO]

Here go the rumors but this is what I heard from a buddy at Delta.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I have heard it over at the DAL go as well.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Great fleet commonality.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I always wanted to be an Eyetalian U-Boat commander. But then we would all get furloughed right off the bat.

 

[Don Q]

That's funny...
Is this after or before Delta gets bought by US Airways?
This is going to be a Seniority List from hell. I wonder who will be in the top 10%. America West / US Air / Delta / JetBlue... :smash:

 

[DAL737FO]

It's funny how rumors get started. Apparently our CFO was up in the cockpit at JFK, now keep in mind it was before JetBlues recent meltdown, and mentioned that he would love to buy that airline. He then further explained how we needed a new terminal/operation in JFK for our international expansion. You see when old LM was in charge he made us a real nice terminal in Boston for his hometown people, however it doesn't do us a lot of good up there. Right now we are being run by the BK judge. Buying an airline is not in the cards. If I had to bet I think we will end up with NWA in a year or two.

 

[Kharma Police]

Right now we are being run by the BK judge. Buying an airline is not in the cards. If I had to bet I think we will end up with NWA in a year or two.[/quote]

I'm glad to see that someone else understands that Delta is at the benevolent mercy of the court system.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

If I had to bet I think we will end up with NWA in a year or two.

Dude, THAT SUCKS. It's like walking into a bar and before your very first drink, looking around and picking out a fat chic to hook up with at the end of the night. Not even giving yourselves a chance for the hotties. Sad.

Good luck though.

 

[SNOWBUM]

c'mon cheff, the fat chic is USAIR, NWA is the pretty one that needs to loose 20 pounds.........after 6 beers she is hot.....usair.......well, not even after a case and an overdose of viagra

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Give it a few months. See what happens when they exit. The game will be a lot different, even with five of the seven seats on the board filled with creditors.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

c'mon cheff, the fat chic is USAIR, NWA is the pretty one that needs to loose 20 pounds.........after 6 beers she is hot.....usair.......well, not even after a case and an overdose of viagra

Case of Bourbon, maybe. Notice I spelled Bourbon with an uppercase "B" -- the Germans were on to something with that whole proper noun thing.

 

[Deli Guy]

You whippersnappers and your fat chick talk. When I was your age we would walk 4 miles through a blinding snowstorm for a fat chick........4 miles I tell you....back then.......snooooooooooooorrrrrrrreeeeeee...........snnoore.......
snooooooooooooorrrrrrrreeeeeee...........snnoore.......snooooooooooooorrrrrr
rreeeeeee...........snnoore.......snooooooooooooorrrrrrrreeeeeee...........snnoore.......

 

[ugasucks]

JFK gates and a 100seat airplane, just what they need

 

[Bavarian Chef]

JFK gates and a 100seat airplane, just what they need

JB doesn't even need that crap.

 

[General Lee]

I always wanted to be an Eyetalian U-Boat commander. But then we would all get furloughed right off the bat.

I think we should give them DOH, since our last furloughed guy was hired pre-911. That seems fair. I would be the #1 Airbus Captain at JFK (1996 hire). Dizel8 could be my FO. Sounds good to me.

Actually, the rumors have been around because we need a new terminal at JFK, we need better feed, and we needed a 100 seater yesterday. The remainder of the E190 orders would help when we also merge with NWA, giving them new 100 seaters to replace the DC9s at NWA.

As far as fleet comonality, we could be ordering E190s or E195s anyway, we have a rate for them, and we have had multiple fleets before. Also, if we merge with NWA, the A320s would blend in well from Jetblue. The E190s would replace the DC9s, and the A320s would feed JFK. There you go.

This is all rumor, and there has been some floating around lately. I have also heard a merger with Alaska, and then a merger with NWA. Who knows? We first need to get out of BK and then order some large equipment (787 orders supposedly, and more 737NGs). We'll see.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[IronCityBlue]

merger mania

I think we should give them DOH, since our last furloughed guy was hired pre-911. That seems fair. I would be the #1 Airbus Captain at JFK (1996 hire). Dizel8 could be my FO. Sounds good to me.

Actually, the rumors have been around because we need a new terminal at JFK, we need better feed, and we needed a 100 seater yesterday. The remainder of the E190 orders would help when we also merge with NWA, giving them new 100 seaters to replace the DC9s at NWA.

As far as fleet comonality, we could be ordering E190s or E195s anyway, we have a rate for them, and we have had multiple fleets before. Also, if we merge with NWA, the A320s would blend in well from Jetblue. The E190s would replace the DC9s, and the A320s would feed JFK. There you go.

This is all rumor, and there has been some floating around lately. I have also heard a merger with Alaska, and then a merger with NWA. Who knows? We first need to get out of BK and then order some large equipment (787 orders supposedly, and more 737NGs). We'll see.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

DOH would be fine, as long as no one was displaced from their seat. You're dreaming if you think DAL management would put up with the expense of retraining almost 1000 captains so the DAL pilots could get their jollies doing a bump and flush, let alone the FO training pipeline. That would be very expensive and you would have to loosen a lot more scope to pay for that one IMO.

I would think a multi-year company fence freeze during which all new hires went to the bottom of a yet to be combined list would make the most sense. While percentile integrations often seem fair, I don't think it would be in this case. Our top 10% shouldn't be able to bid what your top 10% is able to right now (777 CA, etc) that wouldn't be fair either.

Of course it never matters what's fair. That's why merger language/union drive is a hot button issue with us right now. We would have less protection than any other group out there unless and until our contract language changes, one way or the other. Its being worked on as we speak.

 

[Peanut gallery]

This is good

The really interesting part would be the integration of two complete different mentalities in the cockpit. It would be the 1990's all over again. The Delta boys with their do not share anything mentality information wise and just plug something in and go FMS wise. With the Jet Blue share everything and lets have a group hug before we do it. The NTSB will be busy.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Unless you plan on utilizing the new terminal for all your Dash-8s and CRJs, it won't be available for anything larger than a narrowbody. The terminal is designed for Airbus 320 and at the largest 321 aircraft.

 

[AA717driver]

JB being non-union and relying on the benevolence of the Delta pilots, staying on the property would be a victory for JB.

Think "preferential interview"... TC

 

[rf285]

I think AA speaks the truth.

 

[ejm179]

Unless you plan on utilizing the new terminal for all your Dash-8s and CRJs, it won't be available for anything larger than a narrowbody. The terminal is designed for Airbus 320 and at the largest 321 aircraft.[/quote


I hope this is a joke. Terminal 6 opened in 1969. The first A320 was not delivered for 19 more years. Those designers would of had some pretty good foresight.

 

[JBFlyer]

Unless you plan on utilizing the new terminal for all your Dash-8s and CRJs, it won't be available for anything larger than a narrowbody. The terminal is designed for Airbus 320 and at the largest 321 aircraft.[/quote


I hope this is a joke. Terminal 6 opened in 1969. The first A320 was not delivered for 19 more years. Those designers would of had some pretty good foresight.

He's talking about the new Terminal 5 which is currently under construction, not Terminal 6.

 

[FDJ2]

It would be an asset acquisition, not a merger. The JBLU Fragmentation policy would be observed.

 

[LandGreen]

DOH would be fine, as long as no one was displaced from their seat. You're dreaming if you think DAL management would put up with the expense of retraining almost 1000 captains so the DAL pilots could get their jollies doing a bump and flush, let alone the FO training pipeline. That would be very expensive and you would have to loosen a lot more scope to pay for that one IMO.

I would think a multi-year company fence freeze during which all new hires went to the bottom of a yet to be combined list would make the most sense. While percentile integrations often seem fair, I don't think it would be in this case. Our top 10% shouldn't be able to bid what your top 10% is able to right now (777 CA, etc) that wouldn't be fair either.

Of course it never matters what's fair. That's why merger language/union drive is a hot button issue with us right now. We would have less protection than any other group out there unless and until our contract language changes, one way or the other. Its being worked on as we speak.

This is very wishful thinking out JB's part! I can just see Dalpa allowing a bunch of 3-7 year CA's flying Delta passengers, while there are 10 yr plus FO's at Delta mainline.

I imagine you might be able to hold your seat...until others are evenutually trained to fill it....most likely scenario would be returning the A320's to Boeing in exchange for 737NG's. Boeing could find PLENTY of market to lease the 320's at a substantial profit over what JB's is paying for leases now.

The real meat DAL wants is the terminal, and the 100 seater. I don't think the Port Authority would design a terminal, in New York for that matter, that wouldn't have the ability to flex and allow for large a/c. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Sure, maybe now they are planning on 320's, but especially after the meltdown last week they must have someone bright enough to realize they would have to lease out this terminal in the event JB dissappeared.

DAL would be smart to make a move BEFORE JB organizes and gets merger/fragmentation language in a binding agreement. That is our (JB) best chance of surviving a takeover.

 

[FDJ2]

The real meat DAL wants is the terminal, and the 100 seater.

Bingo!

If this were to happen, and that is a big if, this would be more of an asset acquisition not a merger. If the JBLU pilots have some fragmentation protection in their contract I am sure it will be honored. If not, then the most likely scenario would be a phased in transfer of JBLU aircraft along with preferential interviews for displaced JBLU pilots.

 

[michael707767]

DOH would be fine, as long as no one was displaced from their seat. You're dreaming if you think DAL management would put up with the expense of retraining almost 1000 captains so the DAL pilots could get their jollies doing a bump and flush, let alone the FO training pipeline. That would be very expensive and you would have to loosen a lot more scope to pay for that one IMO.

I agree with you. In any merger scenario between two airlines, no matter the integration method I have always believed everyone should keep your current seat. It was yours before the merger, it should be yours after the merger.

 

[Mea25000]

I have heard the same thing as the general…. Wouldn’t that be great Delta and Alaska and then slide a NWA merger about a year and a half later. Displaced Seattle to Detroit! DOH sounds good to me.

 

[General Lee]

I agree with you. In any merger scenario between two airlines, no matter the integration method I have always believed everyone should keep your current seat. It was yours before the merger, it should be yours after the merger.

IS that what the AWA guys are saying to the USAir East guys? If you don't have the same union or merger policy, it could be open to anything. I think if it happened, it would go DOH and then subsequent bids would move people on top of the JBU pilots. But, they could possibly bid out of NYC to the other hubs and different aircraft to get away from Ozone Park and Yonkers. It would be a win win probably. This is all rumor, anyway.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[puddlejumper101]

i can't think of two pilot groups being more opposite than Jet Blue and Delta...that would make some very interesting CRM.

 

[michael707767]

IS that what the AWA guys are saying to the USAir East guys? If you don't have the same union or merger policy, it could be open to anything. I think if it happened, it would go DOH and then subsequent bids would move people on top of the JBU pilots.

I didn't say what I think would happen. I said what I think should happen. Two different things.

But since you bring it up, lets say Delta had merged with USAirways. Do you think a bunch of 18 year USAirways FOs should have been able to bump 10 year Delta captains out of their seat?