Delta TA on SCOPE

[CheapFlyer]

Every argument used today could be used to justify outsourcing a 717 sized aircraft in the next BK.

That's exactly what's scary, we are one BK away from this happening.

 

[701EV]

Yeah- apparently the average DALPA widebody pilot thinks "Regional" = North America. And "Feed"= single aisle domestic

Waveflyer, thats funny!!

 

[General Lee]

If all the mainline pilots believe this, it's over - management has won.

I'm still chuckling on his reference of "feed". As in 76 seaters "feeding" pax from DTW to DFW. Again, management has won.

But we have shrunk the DCI network with this TA. Yes, the 50 seaters are getting old, but they still have long leases associated with many of them. You either fix them, or trade them up for fewer of them. It's a win win. You get to dump older 50 seaters than nobody but Embry Riddle newhires like, and add a plane that will fly the same route regardless, but maybe make a profit at it. Then, you reduce the numbers overall by 200 50 seaters, and then add 70 larger ones, that will fly the same routes anyway. On top of that, add 88 717s that will fly places that our old mainline planes used to fly, and that will mean many current CR9s and E175s will be replaced on their most profitable routes (put a 717 on it, make more money).

That DTW to DFW run, or the recently announced LGA to DFW/IAH routes, will probably get 717s on them. If the TA doesn't pass, there is no way to tell whether or not the 717s will even come (all press releases say they are coming IF the TA is passed). If the 200 50 seaters stick around, there may be too much capacity in the system to add 88 717s. It actually makes sense. Most airlines have been reducing capacity, and raising fares. So, you don't want to add 88 717s into the mix and NOT remove something. 70 76 seaters will be added as well, but removing those 50 seaters is a big piece of this puzzle, and without it happening, the 717s may just be too much. You just can't argue with that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Yeah- apparently the average DALPA widebody pilot thinks "Regional" = North America. And "Feed"= single aisle domestic-

Every argument used today could be used to justify outsourcing a 717 sized aircraft in the next BK.

The TA adds 88 717s (I bet you've seen them). Those will cover all of the CR9 and E175 current routes easily. And as far as the next BK (it may be you next) goes, there is no reason to guess what could or could not be next. AA won't be forced to give Eagle larger planes (larger than 76 seats), because the peers do not do that. But anything could happen according to you. Especially if MARS ATTACKS!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Right now AA only has 70 seats-
You're cool with giving their mgmt leverage to get -900's?

 

[flyboyike]

Right now AA only has 70 seats-
You're cool with giving their mgmt leverage to get -900's?

Especially if they merge with USAir whose scope allows for up to 86 seats at the regionals, not 76.

 

[777forever]

Right now AA only has 70 seats-
You're cool with giving their mgmt leverage to get -900's?

Come tomorrow AMR will be permitted to have 900s. You need to learn how to pick your battles wisely.



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[waveflyer]

Come tomorrow AMR will be permitted to have 900s. You need to learn how to pick your battles wisely.



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They're in BK and apparently care about the issue more than you

How's that 777 treating you, widebody pilot?

 

[Twisted Mind]

Just read in a press release pinnacle has stopped negotiating with ALPA. Pinnacle said they need more concessions in order to be competitive with other contract carriers due to delta TA. The whipsaw has begun already and the TA has not yet passed.

 

[777forever]

FYI Currently you have outsourced:

348 50 Seaters
102 65-69 Seaters
153 76 Seaters
Total: 603 Aircraft / 35862 seats

Proposed outsourcing:
125 "70 seaters" (using 67 as an average again = 8750 seats)
223 76 seaters (16948 seats)
Total: 348 Aircraft / 25698 seats

Total seats go down by about 28%. But, when was the last time you saw a 50 seater running DTW-IAH, SLC-LAX, LGA-ORD, JFK-ORD, or MSP-YVR?

I think if you looked at the average miles flown by the 900/175 you'd see that the seat mile reduction is probably much less than 28%.

Doubt it. Anyways seat miles is insignificant. That is a purely corporate finance term. Pilots concern with scope involves pilot jobs, which is determined by block hours. The block hour ratio requirement in this contract drives pilot jobs strongly towards mainline.

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