Delta TA on SCOPE

[PCL_128]

I will be taking a much needed break from just about everything but scotch!

I have to work, so have a drink for me!

 

[Speedtape]

The coming pilot shortage will eliminate the scope issues. Why waste negotiating capital to only chip the tip of the iceberg?

 

[xjhawk]

pilot shortage? But yet some still furlough? But yet most are still not hiring. There are tens of thousands of regional pilots lining up for the chance to get a job at the majors. There will not be a shortage at the majors-where it matters. There will be a death sentence for the regionals that do not have the ability to attract new pilots to fly the smaller airplanes. What will it take? A well managed company with decent, livable work rules. A livable wage. And so many, attractive pilot bases. I am sure the ones with steady flows to a mainline partner will be successful at attracting pilots as that would mean quicker upgrades and more pay.

 

[General Lee]

88 717s equals 1100 new jobs at Delta. Then throw in 25 MD90s. New, more productive reserve rules will equal 250 less jobs, but then add 200-300 early outs from an early out program associated with this TA. That early out program can give 39 weeks of pay, plus $120,000 into a medical account. Many wide body Captains (mainly fNWA pilots with their pensions intact) would probably take that. Them throw in thousands of pilots leaving in the next 5-10 years, and that means hiring.

Age 65 hurt everyone except the very senior, but they will be leaving soon. We can all complain about that forever, or just move on. The other legacies also have huge numbers leaving in the next 5-10 years, so current RJ pilots will have plenty of choices. And RJs will also stick around because some routes can't handle a 717 or larger. There you go, choices. The only guys without choices are the junior SWA pilots. Big stagnation and reserve for a decade are left for them after their merger, including a $8K bill for a 737 type. I bet many will be looking to escape when the legacies open up, especially for better QOL. So, if you have an extra $8K to burn and want to be on reserve for a decade, then you have another choice available in the next few years: SWA.


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[flyboyike]

Age 65 hurt everyone except the very senior, but they will be leaving soon.

They've been leaving for years, yet, they're still here.

 

[Scoot 11]

They've been leaving for years, yet, they're still here.

That's exactly right. Want to know when they'll. Leave? When they have to, at age 65!

 

[xray678]

88 717s equals 1100 new jobs at Delta. Then throw in 25 MD90s. New, more productive reserve rules will equal 250 less jobs, but then add 200-300 early outs from an early out program associated with this TA. That early out program can give 39 weeks of pay, plus $120,000 into a medical account. Many wide body Captains (mainly fNWA pilots with their pensions intact) would probably take that. Them throw in thousands of pilots leaving in the next 5-10 years, and that means hiring.

Do you think it will get too 200-300 before it is cut off due to staffing issues?

 

[lakemead1]

I think it depends where a majority of the early outs come from. If it is pretty evenly spread out amongst all categories then I think it will get to 300 guys. But if the majority comes from only one or two I.e. 744 and 777 then it may only get a hundred or so before they cut it off. Just a guess though.

 

[RJ Bum]

The coming pilot shortage will eliminate the scope issues. Why waste negotiating capital to only chip the tip of the iceberg?

Wow, I hope to hell you're being sacastic...

 

[Flybywire44]

Gennerall Lee and Speed Tape,

You both must understand regionalism is here to stay unless we kill it now when we have negotiating leverage. Delta is at a tipping point with spiking costs of an aging 50 seat fleet don't give DAL an out.

Otherwise, DAL, UAL and AMR will establish Ab Initio Programs for their regionals—they won't let their investments die.

If you want to stop puppy pilot regional farms than do so now. The 717s are needed to replace DC9s, they're not all growth. If Delta needs the airframes than they will get them regardless how DALPA votes on this TA.