Delta shenanigans

[Full of LUV]

when has delta not been running the show? they dictate schedule, contracts, aircraft, scope, marketing, tickets.

That is the NORMAL Contractor-Subcontractor relationship

 

[jetstream]

This is bad. Very bad.

Delta is in effect doing its own connection flying now. It is funding the operation and setting the price it will pay for it.

 

[Full of LUV]

This is bad. Very bad.

Delta is in effect doing its own connection flying now. It is funding the operation and setting the price it will pay for it.

I guess if people quit or don't apply, they will know when they have found the sweet spot. This is an exaggerated example of what happens when you have no scope (which regionals as contractors by default have no control over).

Hope mainline sees that scope is everything, otherwise you have nothing.

The best payrates don't mean squat if the jobs just evaporate..

LUV

 

[Flyer1015]

“Pinnacle has also said its $74.3 million loan from Delta would help it repay a $44.3 million debt to the larger airline.” How does borrowing money from a creditor “help” to repay a loan to that same creditor?

Simple! If I owe you $10 bucks, just give me $20 bucks and I'll pay your $10 bucks right then and there! What? You've never done that before?

 

[Whataboutbob]

Any chance of Delta reinstating the flow through for Pinnacle pilots to help get the Pinnacle pilot group to quickly bite on a bankruptcy contract (not saying everything on the 1113 term sheet) but probably the 5% plus other work rules and benefits??

Better yet any chance if it's reinstated it only include the former Mesaba pilots, grandfather in the old deal ))

Just trying to stir the pot a little bit.

 

[i fly boxes]

Just wear your 4 bars upside down again to show delta you can fly the "nine" and I'm sure that can be arranged

 

[jetstream]

I remember, post 911 when Delta was in serious trouble, us doing everything we could to help Delta cut expenses. Project APU, single engine taxi, flying in fuel savings mode, etc. Then as soon as they get profitable again they begin screwing us.

F#%* 'em!

I believe that some day, some how, all this will come back to bite Delta on the ass.

Karma.

 

[Meiguy]

Rumor has it (on the Major's board) that there could be a 717 payrate in the TA. I don't know if that is true, but the 717 could replace a lot more of the RJ flying than the MD90. I believe there are 88 Airtran 717s, and 25 or more out there in the desert (mostly ex Mexicana Click and before that Midwest). There are also rumors out there stating Delta wants some more 76 seaters in exchange for a large pulldown of those 50 seaters. It wouldn't be one for one, but a chunk of 76 seaters for a larger chunk of 50 seaters going away. We shall see.


Bye Bye--General Lee

You say that like it's a good thing. We don't need to allow ANY 76 seaters to get rid of something where the price of fuel will take care of for us.

 

[N813CA]

Its all about the contracts.. Now Delta owns the contract for Pinnacle... It will become the next Comair. SAD, very sad.

 

[joepilot29]

Its all about the contracts.. Now Delta owns the contract for Pinnacle... It will become the next Comair. SAD, very sad.

Welcome to the suck! Being wholly owned is awesome!!!! New rumor I heard was us ie OH being merged with 9E since Delta basically owns 9E. That was from a 9E pilot!

 

[xjhawk]

oh god how would that merger go. With my luck this one would go DOH while the last one put pilots hired 4 years after me senior to me. lets hope that does not happen

 

[joepilot29]

oh god how would that merger go. With my luck this one would go DOH while the last one put pilots hired 4 years after me senior to me. lets hope that does not happen

Well that could be the first bit of good news we at OH have heard in about 4 years! I remember when we were awarded 16 900's for a whole week! Totally awesome feeling!!

 

[Full of LUV]

I remember, post 911 when Delta was in serious trouble, us doing everything we could to help Delta cut expenses. Project APU, single engine taxi, flying in fuel savings mode, etc. Then as soon as they get profitable again they begin screwing us.

F#%* 'em!

I believe that some day, some how, all this will come back to bite Delta on the ass.

Karma.

Are they screwing you by loaning the BK company the money to continue to operate or are they screwing you by finding a cheaper subcontractor for particular RJ flying?

 

[Speedtape]

Welcome to the suck! Being wholly owned is awesome!!!! New rumor I heard was us ie OH being merged with 9E since Delta basically owns 9E. That was from a 9E pilot!

Then it must be true!

 

[jetstream]

Are they screwing you by loaning the BK company the money to continue to operate or are they screwing you by finding a cheaper subcontractor for particular RJ flying?

By loaning a bankrupt subcontractor money to keep them afloat and then setting the rate said subcontractor will charge them at below what it costs to do the work. It almost seems like extortion.

I get that I work for a subcontractor and we have to compete against other subcontractors. In this case "Delta's shenanigans" make the playing field we compete on extremely unlevel.

 

[Flyer1015]

oh god how would that merger go. With my luck this one would go DOH while the last one put pilots hired 4 years after me senior to me. lets hope that does not happen

Comair will propose DOH

Mesaba will propose relative

Pinnacle will propose:
- Pinnacle Jet Captains
- Pinnacle Jet FOs
- Comair Jet Captains
- Comair Jet FOs.



That is, if the past is any history lesson..................

 

[Inconceivable]

Comair will propose DOH

Mesaba will propose relative

Pinnacle will propose:
- Pinnacle Jet Captains
- Pinnacle Jet FOs
- Comair Jet Captains
- Comair Jet FOs.



That is, if the past is any history lesson..................

Bloch will award all captain positions to China Eastern