Delta Selling Compass to Republic?

[Tram]

They are crazy enough to sell Compass and then start another E175 operation in its place, just to show that they are calling the shots.

YOu said a mouthful there.....

 

[Superpilot92]

I am not so sure of a "flowback" to CPZ. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 4 pilots per month was the flowback training restriction. Soo, it would take a very long time to ultimately replace all the CPZ pilots.

Minimum of 20 but that was based on the training only taking place in Montreal but they now have their own sim so that number should be higher.

 

[Beergut]

Yeah-

And you guys think mgmt is gonna unilaterally cave on scope for "morale" reasons? You really think that is even an option-especially with these NWA jerks in charge?

-Damn-you just are not that smart....

Ditto

 

[DYLIN]

Minimum of 20 but that was based on the training only taking place in Montreal but they now have their own sim so that number should be higher.

With recurrent training events for pilots taking place every six months in both seats I doubt more than 20-25 could be in new-hire training per month and that is with the sim running 20 hours a day. Someone did the math and it supports that 20-25 a month range.

 

[Moustache]

Minimum of 20 but that was based on the training only taking place in Montreal but they now have their own sim so that number should be higher.

The last few weeks of recurrent has had their last day of training cancelled..... I don't think that the number would be much higher if not lower

 

[pilotdiscretion]

Delta needs to keep pilot staffing high until the Single Operating Certificate is delivered by the FAA. When they get it there is some training to do for every pilot and it will require the higher staffing. Once the pilot merger and training is complete it's anyone's guess about furloughs and flow backs.

 

[Superpilot92]

The last few weeks of recurrent has had their last day of training cancelled..... I don't think that the number would be much higher if not lower

Contractually its a minimum of 20 regardless.

 

[IFLYIMC]

Contractually its a minimum of 20 regardless.

Contracts don't mean shizit to anyone in this industry other than the ones with golden shutes!

 

[PA44Jockey]

I think that DAL will make reductions, as they have already announced, but I think they will continue to trim in other ways. I think that we will continue to see furloughs at the regional level. I have talked to check airman and the CPO and they both agree that there will be a lot of SIL'S in the fall and a reduction in the line values. They have also stated that the boys in ATL would rather have the DCI carriers take the brunt of the domestic reduction instead of mainline this time around. Look at the Mesaba announcement today for example, I think there will be more of that. I have a friend in ATL on the 4th floor that says they are trying to prevent furloughs because the 93 furloughs are the some of the worst employees that Delta has for sick time usage, morale etc. So they are trying to prevent all the 07-08 hires from becoming another group of bitter employees.

The next 93 pilots in line will then just become the big sick time users. There moral will suck. A 5 year old could figure that out. Here's an idea........ don't treat your reservists like slaves.

 

[Turbine Pilot]

Republic Sucks!

 

[~~~^~~~]

A lot is in the works. As for CPS being sold. It is an option, but there is another on that is more attractive that is currently being looked at.

My bet, another scope sale with jets for jobs at Shuttle.

I'd hope we might go the other way and bring Compass on board and work on the Shuttle flying since those airplanes have a 99.9998% likelihood of being certified over the limits for permitted aircraft types anyway.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I have a friend in ATL on the 4th floor that says they are trying to prevent furloughs because the 93 furloughs are the some of the worst employees that Delta has for sick time usage, morale etc. So they are trying to prevent all the 07-08 hires from becoming another group of bitter employees.

After the beating the 07-08 hires will take on loss of status quo from the merger, that's good head work. I can see flight operations management thinking that way. The bean counters are another story. They are not running a daisy farm. They are not even aware of "morale" and aren't paid to care. If a pilot calls in sick too often, the fix is a mathematical one, fire him and hire a happy guy with no longevity.

 

[Superpilot92]

My bet, another scope sale with jets for jobs at Shuttle.

I'd hope we might go the other way and bring Compass on board and work on the Shuttle flying since those airplanes have a 99.9998% likelihood of being certified over the limits for permitted aircraft types anyway.

doubt it, the reverend is about to have alot on his table and dumping 100+million right after the 30+million on YX. Hopefully this is DAL chance to dump some feeders so we can keep that money inhouse.

 

[CoolSidePillow]

Had a mainline NW pilot in my jumpseat this week who stated that Delta was in the process of selling Compass to Republic. Is this true? He seemed very confident. I hope not.

Do not worry about that. Just hold still while I bust your head.

 

[wms]

I guess we know the answer now.

 

[luvz2fli]

doubt it, the reverend is about to have alot on his table and dumping 100+million right after the 30+million on YX. Hopefully this is DAL chance to dump some feeders so we can keep that money inhouse.

So do you think this will be the chance that they take to dump Shuttle America and put DC-9s, 73s, or MD80s in its place? Or do you think they will dump them and grow Compass, Mesaba, or Comair? I had heard Delta owns the leases on those Shuttle planes that fly for them. Is this true? Anybody know? Thanks

 

[king10pin02]

So do you think this will be the chance that they take to dump Shuttle America and put DC-9s, 73s, or MD80s in its place? Or do you think they will dump them and grow Compass, Mesaba, or Comair? I had heard Delta owns the leases on those Shuttle planes that fly for them. Is this true? Anybody know? Thanks

Shuttle America owns its aircraft, we do not lease them from Delta. Delta owns most of the crj-900s being flown by its regional partners (not all of them). and the Shuttle America contract is thru 2016 so not much chance of them being dumped by Delta.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Shuttle America owns its aircraft, we do not lease them from Delta. Delta owns most of the crj-900s being flown by its regional partners (not all of them). and the Shuttle America contract is thru 2016 so not much chance of them being dumped by Delta.

unless delta has a no compete clause in their contract which I am willing to bet they have.

I still dont see them dropping them though.

 

[king10pin02]

unless delta has a no compete clause in their contract which I am willing to bet they have.

I still dont see them dropping them though.

incorrect, Delta signed a codeshare with Midwest (read republic)...Delta knew that Republic would be buying Midwest all along.

 

[hockeypilot44]

incorrect, Delta signed a codeshare with Midwest (read republic)...Delta knew that Republic would be buying Midwest all along.

I have not read anywhere that Delta signed a codeshare with Midwest. If that is true, the Delta/Northwest pilots are in trouble. The DC9's can and will be replaced by 190's painted in Midwest colors. The narrow bodis will leave the fleet. The smallest thing that will be left at mainline will be the 319. Those will eventually be phased out also. The idea is to never hire at mainline again. Why? Because mainline pilots cost too much.