Delta Selling Compass to Republic?

[4.0atRIDDLE]

Had a mainline NW pilot in my jumpseat this week who stated that Delta was in the process of selling Compass to Republic. Is this true? He seemed very confident. I hope not.

 

[Superpilot92]

not true .

 

[Tarzan]

Probably not true, however, I am willing to wager a buck that come this time next year, every seat will be occupied by a Delta pilot who's been flowed back.

 

[lakemead1]

Probably not true, however, I am willing to wager a buck that come this time next year, every seat will be occupied by a Delta pilot who's been flowed back.

I'll take that bet.....

 

[doug_or]

I'll take that bet.....

On contractual grounds? or do you not think DL will be making reductions?

 

[lakemead1]

On contractual grounds? or do you not think DL will be making reductions?

I think that DAL will make reductions, as they have already announced, but I think they will continue to trim in other ways. I think that we will continue to see furloughs at the regional level. I have talked to check airman and the CPO and they both agree that there will be a lot of SIL'S in the fall and a reduction in the line values. They have also stated that the boys in ATL would rather have the DCI carriers take the brunt of the domestic reduction instead of mainline this time around. Look at the Mesaba announcement today for example, I think there will be more of that. I have a friend in ATL on the 4th floor that says they are trying to prevent furloughs because the 93 furloughs are the some of the worst employees that Delta has for sick time usage, morale etc. So they are trying to prevent all the 07-08 hires from becoming another group of bitter employees.

 

[DoinTime]

So you think DAL will float 1000 extra pilots just to preserve moral?

 

[lakemead1]

So you think DAL will float 1000 extra pilots just to preserve moral?

Thats only part of it. They will be fat on pilots for the fall and winter and be about right for the spring and next summer. I think that we'll see another offer for the pirp if this first round doesn't get enough guys to go. Unfortunatley there are so many factors to consider that we all have to just sit back and wait to see what happens. It really all depends on the SOC.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Lake has a point.
They are looking at that. We will be overstaffed by the new projections at about 450 or so for next spring. If we do not cut the summer 2010 sked we will be even to short. I see a capacity pull down for next summer.
I also know that they are looking at furloughs, but want to avoid them at all costs. It has long been stated that the cost of a furlough is more than just throwing the pilot off the property. DAL is still paying for the furloughs of the early 90's as he has stated. The same can be said of the 00-01 era as well.
There are a lot of options in the works to make the DCI group take the brunt of the capacity cuts. It that happens there will be no furloughs at mainline. There are a few options out there to bring flying to the mainline. This may happen sooner rather than later. A lot is in the works.
As for CPS being sold. It is an option, but there is another on that is more attractive that is currently being looked at.

 

[filejw]

All of the above. Norths APA came out to day for October and there was an increase in the number of Capt's..... go figure..

 

[Superpilot92]

All of the above. Norths APA came out to day for October and there was an increase in the number of Capt's..... go figure..

Bid period 5 starts in September for the whale guys and thus brings with it the new staffing formula (good sign). Go figure that DAL-N waited until the LAST possible bid to comply with the contractual staffing model The realignment of the 757 pull down has already taken place so hopefully thats the majority of the displacements until next year when the cargo boys get bumped. By then hopefully we've thinned the heard with PIRPs and regular retirements. Around that same time there will be a joint bid which should be a pretty good fireworks show on how all the cards fall.

 

[mynameisjim]

Probably not true, however, I am willing to wager a buck that come this time next year, every seat will be occupied by a Delta pilot who's been flowed back.

Nah, it would take much more than a year just to train the delta pilots on the 175; only 20 a month can fit through training.

 

[stall022]

Mid Atlantic 2...

 

[crj567]

Lake has a point.
They are looking at that. We will be overstaffed by the new projections at about 450 or so for next spring. If we do not cut the summer 2010 sked we will be even to short. I see a capacity pull down for next summer.
I also know that they are looking at furloughs, but want to avoid them at all costs. It has long been stated that the cost of a furlough is more than just throwing the pilot off the property. DAL is still paying for the furloughs of the early 90's as he has stated. The same can be said of the 00-01 era as well.
There are a lot of options in the works to make the DCI group take the brunt of the capacity cuts. It that happens there will be no furloughs at mainline. There are a few options out there to bring flying to the mainline. This may happen sooner rather than later. A lot is in the works.
As for CPS being sold. It is an option, but there is another on that is more attractive that is currently being looked at.

Yeah-

And you guys think mgmt is gonna unilaterally cave on scope for "morale" reasons? You really think that is even an option-especially with these NWA jerks in charge?

-Damn-you just are not that smart....

 

[Superpilot92]

This message is hidden because crj567 is on your ignore list.

Perfect :beer:

 

[king10pin02]

this rumor has been around since the day compass was started, im sure DL/NWA doesnt want a single E175 operator, with two they can whip us against each other to keep their costs down.


(delta owns the compass aircraft)
(Republic owns the shuttle aircaft)

 

[dispatchguy]

this rumor has been around since the day compass was started, im sure DL/NWA doesnt want a single E175 operator, with two they can whip us against each other to keep their costs down.


(delta owns the compass aircraft)
(Republic owns the shuttle aircaft)

And I am afraid that that makes complete sense, nothing like a good whipsaw to keep everyone in check....

 

[jetflier]

I am not so sure of a "flowback" to CPZ. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 4 pilots per month was the flowback training restriction. Soo, it would take a very long time to ultimately replace all the CPZ pilots.

 

[chqflyer]

Geez, this goofy rumor is always rising from the dead. Delta would be absolutely nuts to give up that kind of leverage against the lower pilot groups.

 

[Minimaniac]

Delta does not need to keep the E175 operators separate in order gain a whipsaw advantage. Every CRJ 700 and 900 does that job just fine. There are so many of those operators out there, and that plane is more efficient when it comes to hard numbers than the 175. Even if Compass were sold, RAH would still be in fierce competition for business with Delta. The CRJ is just as capable.

I don't think Delta would want to sell those planes, but you never know with Delta. They are crazy enough to sell Compass and then start another E175 operation in its place, just to show that they are calling the shots.

 

[Tram]

They are crazy enough to sell Compass and then start another E175 operation in its place, just to show that they are calling the shots.

YOu said a mouthful there.....

 

[Superpilot92]

I am not so sure of a "flowback" to CPZ. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 4 pilots per month was the flowback training restriction. Soo, it would take a very long time to ultimately replace all the CPZ pilots.

Minimum of 20 but that was based on the training only taking place in Montreal but they now have their own sim so that number should be higher.

 

[Beergut]

Yeah-

And you guys think mgmt is gonna unilaterally cave on scope for "morale" reasons? You really think that is even an option-especially with these NWA jerks in charge?

-Damn-you just are not that smart....

Ditto

 

[DYLIN]

Minimum of 20 but that was based on the training only taking place in Montreal but they now have their own sim so that number should be higher.

With recurrent training events for pilots taking place every six months in both seats I doubt more than 20-25 could be in new-hire training per month and that is with the sim running 20 hours a day. Someone did the math and it supports that 20-25 a month range.

 

[Moustache]

Minimum of 20 but that was based on the training only taking place in Montreal but they now have their own sim so that number should be higher.

The last few weeks of recurrent has had their last day of training cancelled..... I don't think that the number would be much higher if not lower

 

[pilotdiscretion]

Delta needs to keep pilot staffing high until the Single Operating Certificate is delivered by the FAA. When they get it there is some training to do for every pilot and it will require the higher staffing. Once the pilot merger and training is complete it's anyone's guess about furloughs and flow backs.

 

[Superpilot92]

The last few weeks of recurrent has had their last day of training cancelled..... I don't think that the number would be much higher if not lower

Contractually its a minimum of 20 regardless.

 

[IFLYIMC]

Contractually its a minimum of 20 regardless.

Contracts don't mean shizit to anyone in this industry other than the ones with golden shutes!

 

[PA44Jockey]

I think that DAL will make reductions, as they have already announced, but I think they will continue to trim in other ways. I think that we will continue to see furloughs at the regional level. I have talked to check airman and the CPO and they both agree that there will be a lot of SIL'S in the fall and a reduction in the line values. They have also stated that the boys in ATL would rather have the DCI carriers take the brunt of the domestic reduction instead of mainline this time around. Look at the Mesaba announcement today for example, I think there will be more of that. I have a friend in ATL on the 4th floor that says they are trying to prevent furloughs because the 93 furloughs are the some of the worst employees that Delta has for sick time usage, morale etc. So they are trying to prevent all the 07-08 hires from becoming another group of bitter employees.

The next 93 pilots in line will then just become the big sick time users. There moral will suck. A 5 year old could figure that out. Here's an idea........ don't treat your reservists like slaves.

 

[Turbine Pilot]

Republic Sucks!