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Suddenly all links to the Request for Proposal which was supposed to either force Comair into concessions, or replace them, has been pulled off the Delta web site. Now Delta does not want to discuss what they were trumpeting just a few days ago.

Also - Credit Associated Press:

ATLANTA - The deadly Kentucky crash involving a Comair flight could make the regional carrier's survival even tougher.

Comair has been operating under bankruptcy protection for nearly a year and has been battling with its flight attendants over pay cuts. Last week its parent, Delta Air Lines Inc., put some of its regional jet service out to bid — a move that could weaken Comair. Sunday's crash that killed 49 people puts Comair in an even more precarious position. "Certainly, there's a large burden on both management and the employees," Standard & Poor's airline analyst Philip Baggaley said Monday. Pete .... Air Line Pilots Association, which represents Comair's pilots, said many people saw the cost cuts coming, but no one expected the crash on top of that.

"The unfortunate truth is it is a Comair plane and it will have some reverberation outside the Comair pilot group and the Comair airline," Janhunen said. "I'd say it's probably too early to tell how this will all play out."
Neither Comair nor Delta would talk about Comair's future on Monday, though Comair spokeswoman Kate Marx said "we will be answering those restructuring questions at some point."

Delta spokeswoman Betsy Talton said in an e-mail that the airline believes "it is too early to have this conversation." "It would be insensitive to the families affected to do so at this time," Talton said, adding that Delta will revisit the issue "when the timing is more appropriate." Delta has been largely silent since the crash, referring questions to Comair.

The problems facing Comair were already clear before Comair Flight 5191 crashed after trying to take off from the wrong runway at the Lexington, Ky., airport on its way to Atlanta. On Aug. 22, Atlanta-based Delta said it had requested bids for some of its regional jet service, much of which is now handled by Erlanger, Ky.-based Comair. The announcement came a day before Comair was to return to negotiations with its flight attendants over concessions the company said it must have to get out of bankruptcy.
David Treitel, chief executive of aviation consulting firm SH&E in New York, said the cost issue is critical to Comair's survival.

"The basic issue that Comair faces in terms of its business is obviously dealing with the crash, but also the issue of responding to the Delta (bid request) and dealing with a cost structure that enables it to be competitive," Treitel said. The bid request that Delta put out could mean less revenue for Comair, and the crash now could mean fewer ticket sales, at least in the short-term, analysts said. Comair President Don Bornhorst said before the crash that Delta's announcement about the bid request made it even more important that Comair complete its restructuring so that it can keep what it has and win new service.

"I think very much depends on the extent to which people will continue to fly Comair," said Jeff Morris, a University of Dayton law professor and bankruptcy expert. If pilot error is ultimately determined to be the cause of the crash, that might not cause a long-term impact on the airline if it isn't seen as a systemwide problem, Morris said. "This seems like a tragic circumstance where one individual or more than one individual led to this tragic result and I would not expect it to recur," he said. Another issue is whether the impact on Comair will trickle down to Delta, which is hoping to emerge from bankruptcy by the middle of 2007. That might help explain Delta's decision to refer questions to Comair, Morris said. "To the extent they might try to keep this from combining in people's minds, that's I assume their goal," he said.
 
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The major flaw in that article is the comment about ticket sales dropping. Since CMR doens't sell tickets, how are their ticket sales going to drop in the short term? I guess people could see that part of their flight was on CMR and not buy the DAL ticket, but I think that is pretty unlikely.
 
I just find it interesting that Delta is has suddenly found it inappropriate to talk about how they were pressuring Comair.
 
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I just find it interesting that Delta is has suddenly found it inappropriate to talk about how they were pressuring Comair.

When it is appropriate they will just deny that they were pressuring them at all. People really don't understand the stress that comes from not knowing what you will be doing in a month. And stress in this business can be a very bad thing.
 
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I just find it interesting that Delta is has suddenly found it inappropriate to talk about how they were pressuring Comair.

No kidding.
 
They still are just now not in public. Compass just recieved the RFP.
 
My guess (just a guess) is that the lawyers suggested this be taken down due to the crash. Bad news for Comair pilots like this that comes out just prior to an accident, in which at first glance involved a pilot being distracted could become an issue in the coming litigation.
 
atrdriver said:
When it is appropriate they will just deny that they were pressuring them at all. People really don't understand the stress that comes from not knowing what you will be doing in a month. And stress in this business can be a very bad thing.

I agree, I think it is being overlooked how stressful it has been at Comair the past couple months with the bankruptcy and the impendings rfp. To me it seems morale is at a seemingly all-time low around here.

It would be something if the pilots were talking about the bankruptcy or the rfp on the recorder at some point.

i think the rfp will be possibly be delayed for a month or so.
 
This would be a great opportunity for DW to speak out against this again (RFP), as he did last week. The press would love something like this to run with, sad as that is. But, it would at least draw attention to this segment of the industry and what these MBAs are trying to do, while padding their own pockets.

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I found it interesting that you never really heard the term, "Delta Connection" on the t.v. news media, but Comair. Usually, it is the other way around. You would of never guessed that Comair is owned by Delta Airlines and flies as a Delta Connection carrier. You think Delta is trying to distance itself? Especially in BK? It's all about the bucks.
 
RFP = Request For Proposal

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BID said:
You think Delta is trying to distance itself? Especially in BK? It's all about the bucks.

What's really sick is that Delta controls all monies associated with Comair. They act like they've nothing to do with Comair, but the reality is that Comair IS Delta. I sincerely hope that Delta gets hit with huge suits over this. Comair is just a pawn in their game and the employees are the ones who suffer.
 
ReportCanoa said:
What's really sick is that Delta controls all monies associated with Comair. They act like they've nothing to do with Comair, but the reality is that Comair IS Delta. I sincerely hope that Delta gets hit with huge suits over this. Comair is just a pawn in their game and the employees are the ones who suffer.

Exactly, Comair will be named in a suit, but Delta holds all the assests, comair is only a organization within the organization, pretty much a shell. Comair doesn't own anything, Delta does. Comair is just a name on an operating certificate.
 
I think ComAir is Fu$%ed! sorry to say.

Come on over to ASA, we'll give you free delta pass priviliges for you and your immediate family
 
It's hard to believe the state of Comair today as compared to just a few years ago. Delta's piss poor management should be hung. Going back to Ron Allen but especially Leo Mullin. I don't know how these guys can sleep at night knowing they've created all of the hardships for past and present employees while they've stuffed their pockets full. And yes the way they whipsaw all of the pilot groups against each other is a distraction. We as pilots have no respect for management and there little games and we don't believe a thing they say whether it is true or not. They show us no respect by failure to negotiate in good faith on a reasonable contract and by constantly violating the one we have. It is not a pleasant feeling wondering if the company you presently work for is going to exist for much longer. It sucks having to explain to my wife why we can't purchase any "big ticket" items right now because we don't have a contract yet. Yet, we the pilots are the ones on the front line when the s%#t hits the fan and our last conversations are printed in the paper and played on TV and everything we did for the last few days is analyized and presented for the public to scrutinize. I wish somebody would hold the way these guys play with our jobs and their pathetic management skills up for public scrutiny and hold them accountable for they way they disrupt our lives. It must be awesome to be the head of a company that is last place in every category and still get stock options worth 3/4 of a million dollars. Yet you ask your frontline that holds the place together to take paycuts. Unbelievable!

Thoughts and prayers for the Comair family and the family and friends for all who were lost.
 
wmuflyguy said:
I agree, I think it is being overlooked how stressful it has been at Comair the past couple months with the bankruptcy and the impendings rfp. To me it seems morale is at a seemingly all-time low around here.

It would be something if the pilots were talking about the bankruptcy or the rfp on the recorder at some point.

i think the rfp will be possibly be delayed for a month or so.

Agreed. I wonder how many people know that at least two Comair pilots have committed suicide in the last few years.

Maybe it's time for Delta's strongarm tactics to end. I hope the lawyers factor the job stress in and teach Delta a lesson.
 
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I think very few people realize the suicide thing. I know of at least 2 Capts that have done it in 2 years. Such a great company, such bad tidings.......makes me sick.
 
Suicides have nothing to do with Comair as a company. That rationale would indicate Mesa, ASA, Great Lakes, SKYW, CHQ, etc... would not exist do to the massive death toll. Comair still is one of the best regionals to work for.
 
Crash Pad said:
Suicides have nothing to do with Comair as a company. That rationale would indicate Mesa, ASA, Great Lakes, SKYW, CHQ, etc... would not exist do to the massive death toll. Comair still is one of the best regionals to work for.

I would venture to say Comair pilots have had a lot more stress than others due to the bankruptcy, shrinkage, etc that the others you mention haven't YET faced. But no, that's not to say anything about Comair as a company, just that the pilots have been feeling a lot of heat lately.
 
John Pennekamp said:
I would venture to say Comair pilots have had a lot more stress than others due to the bankruptcy, shrinkage, etc that the others you mention haven't YET faced. But no, that's not to say anything about Comair as a company, just that the pilots have been feeling a lot of heat lately.

um, ah, yeah.

what happened to Independence Air? ahh dah
 
Hawker dude said:
um, ah, yeah.

what happened to Independence Air? ahh dah

Yeah, OK, smart guy. Forgot them. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
you also forgot about Midway 1st,2nd, and the third. The problem is that pilots think they are immune untill it effects them. Everyone should realize that their job is only 1 rfp away.
 
That is why we need a union and I hope that eventually ALPA starts acting like a union.
 
This industry has been chock-full of stress, uncertainty, union-busting, and other miscellaneous strongarm tactics, especially the last 5 years. Having been furloughed, lost a house, and dealing with the CH11 process have not been particularly thrilling highlights for me, personally. I think everyone in this business has done an incredible job keeping it safe, despite the distractions over the years.

I am all for being respectful of the dead, letting the investigation run its course, but I can't believe how many apologists are out here blaming Delta, the RFP, or the industry in general for this accident. How do you guys even make it through a checkride with this mentality? At what point do you hold yourselves responsible for your own actions or mistakes?

There will always be distractions in this profession, even during the good times. Its our duty to mitigage these distractions while in the cockpit. If you can't do it, you should leave the profession.

Fly safe,
-PF
 
DGdaPilot said:
I think very few people realize the suicide thing. I know of at least 2 Capts that have done it in 2 years. Such a great company, such bad tidings.......makes me sick.


Who were they? PM me if you like. Just trying to see if I knew them or not.
 

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