Delta RFP awarded....

[doh]

So, you are against a Free enterprise? We should move back to regulation? I thought we lived in the U.S.A. Its a nasty world out there, but thats how it works. It's the same in every business. The strongest survive. Those who can do it for less, are the ones who get rich....What a strange concept.

Free enterprise? Are the pilots free to withold their service? Or will the judge issue a restraining order? Who gets freedom, and who pays for managements freedom? And the whole idea that this industry is not regulated is absurd! We remain the most regulated industry in America. How will pilots get rich if they "do it for less"? Management may get rich, but the pilots will only get poorer by flying for less. Show me how I am wrong! I challenge you!uke:

 

[N813CA]

SkyNation vbmenu_register("postmenu_1210270", true);

Be careful what you wish for. I have been at 3 different airlines. If you think I made my decisions so I could be a 40 year old FO at sky worst than p__s off. You are so happy with your quality of life. Come on don't you want to make twice as much? With the fast movement at the BEST regional in town, you didn't upgrade because you would fail. I guess I messed up because I wanted to go to a place where I didn’t make $20,000 a year.

 

[doh]

how should it work?

That's an easy one. I buy a ticket on Delta. I get to the airport and I get on a Delta airplane, not a Skywest airplane. I get flown to my destination by Delta pilots and I get served my beverage by Delta FAs. That is how it should work.

 

[CoolSidePillow]

So, you are against a Free enterprise? We should move back to regulation? I thought we lived in the U.S.A. Its a nasty world out there, but thats how it works. It's the same in every business. The strongest survive. Those who can do it for less, are the ones who get rich....What a strange concept.

get rich? are you getting rich? because if you are not then the rich are standing on your obedient back as YOU carry them all the way to the Cayman Isles..... U.S.A. = Under Someone else's Authority......... free enterprise..... as we watch ALL of our industry and economic strength sail to foreign ports....... yup the richer are getting richer.... and they are buying homes on private islands and places all over the world. FREE Enterprise.... let me tell you something..... NOTHING IS FREE IN THIS WORLD............ RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ARE THE PRICE TAGS. since there are no ethics in business and the sheeple of this country mindlessly support basically anything government or big business force down their throats then the vicious cycle will not end. Why does anyone think it will..... look back in only the last 50 years and see in the industries that have suffered from this free enterprise without responsibility and accountability.......... electronics, household goods, auto industry, steel industry, manufacturing just about anything, and now it is telecommunications and customer service...... GONE. So Skywest, and Mesa, and Shupubliqua do it today. Someone else will do it to them tomorrow. Maybe WalMart will start their own airline..... oh wait they did.... Southworst. Southwest is only the golden child because the legacies arent hiring... At one point they were the Mesa of the Majors. How soon people forget..... how shortsighted this pathetic society is.........we sold integrity and character to the LOWEST bidder..... and then we raised a flag on the front yard of the house we will never truly own.... might as well make it a white flag.... cause we already surrendered. Before any of you low brows tell me to love this country or leave it...... oh please..... get a new sound byte......... REAL AMERICANS HAVE THE BALLS TO SAY WHAT IS WRONG AND WANT IT FIXED

 

[SkyNation]

SkyNation vbmenu_register("postmenu_1210270", true);

I have been at 3 different airlines.

so have I.

are you saying you know what is best for me more than I do? you seem to think you know a lot about me. guess how many fingers I'm holding up?

now guess which one?

 

[Ben Dover]

If I was an add exec. and my firm lost contracts to another lower bidding company, I could go and get a job with another add agency and negotiate equivilant or better pay for my expierience. We cannot do that, we start at the bottom.

Whose fault is it that we start at the bottom? I've said it before; managment loves that fact that pilots can't jump ship to another company. And they leverage that against us to the hilt. We're just screwing ourselves by bargaining for longevity based compensation. And management is wetting themselves with laughter that we keep trying the same old thing over and over and over again.

 

[sweptback]

What the hell is ASA is SLC for? It happened already to SkyWest you asarjboy! You came in and set up camp in one of our bases. Thats right SLC is a SkyWest domicile. Do you see a SkyWest base in ATL?

Nobody at SkyWest is wishing ill will to any pilots at ASA or Comair. Keep your strike where it belongs, In ATL.

Ok, time for a little history lesson.

There was a time, we'll say that time was late 2004. Delta announced the closing of a base near and dear to many of us at ASA (DFW). As a result of this base closing, ASA had about 50 or so spare airplanes that they didn't have room for in ATL. The 200s were sent mainly to CVG to backfill the loss of the 328s, and the 700s were sent to SLC for some expansion as the hub grew.

At the time, the Delta scope clause limited the 70-seat flying to 58 aircraft between only ASA and Comair (there were actually 59 aircraft but that's another story for another time.) Delta wanted 70-seat RJs in SLC and by the Delta scope clause SkyWest could not fly these aircraft. That's where ASA came in, and is why we opened a SLC base.

Shortly thereafter, the Delta pilots signed a concessionary agreement that, among other things, lifted the 70-seat cap to 200 aircraft and allowed non-wholly-owned carriers (that's you, SkyWest) to fly them. SkyWest still had no 70-seat Delta flying at that time, but us at ASA knew our days were numbered out West.

Not long after that, SkyWest, Inc. purchased ASA from Delta. As a result of the purchase, SkyWest, Inc. took over ASA's remaining orders and options. The 5 CRJ 700s delivered to SkyWest Airlines came directly off of the ASA order book, and were undelivered aircraft from the 2003 DAL RFP (of which ASA was awarded 25 aircraft, and of that we only had 14 deliveries). Also, the CRJ 900 deliveries to SkyWest Airlines were order conversions of former ASA delivery slots and options. Add to that the transfer of ships 701, 702, 703, and 705, and you have one hell of a welcome to the SkyWest family.

 

[thebest]

Hey, how is alpa helping comair?

 

[jayme]

Hey, how did ALPA help comair 5 years ago?

How did ALPA help UAL in 2000?

How did ALPA help FedEx?

Comair is in bankruptcy. Do you see the difference? The paycuts are NOT due to ALPA. But unless you are a moron, you already knew all of this. Just trying to sell your bull sht, aren't you?

 

[bvt1151]

Hey, how is alpa helping comair?

Skywest's underbidding of the industry on 70-rates is hurting Comair pilots worse than the bankruptcy.

Thanks.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Ok, time for a little history lesson.

There was a time, we'll say that time was late 2004. Delta announced the closing of a base near and dear to many of us at ASA (DFW). As a result of this base closing, ASA had about 50 or so spare airplanes that they didn't have room for in ATL. The 200s were sent mainly to CVG to backfill the loss of the 328s, and the 700s were sent to SLC for some expansion as the hub grew.

At the time, the Delta scope clause limited the 70-seat flying to 58 aircraft between only ASA and Comair (there were actually 59 aircraft but that's another story for another time.) Delta wanted 70-seat RJs in SLC and by the Delta scope clause SkyWest could not fly these aircraft. That's where ASA came in, and is why we opened a SLC base.

Shortly thereafter, the Delta pilots signed a concessionary agreement that, among other things, lifted the 70-seat cap to 200 aircraft and allowed non-wholly-owned carriers (that's you, SkyWest) to fly them. SkyWest still had no 70-seat Delta flying at that time, but us at ASA knew our days were numbered out West.

Not long after that, SkyWest, Inc. purchased ASA from Delta. As a result of the purchase, SkyWest, Inc. took over ASA's remaining orders and options. The 5 CRJ 700s delivered to SkyWest Airlines came directly off of the ASA order book, and were undelivered aircraft from the 2003 DAL RFP (of which ASA was awarded 25 aircraft, and of that we only had 14 deliveries). Also, the CRJ 900 deliveries to SkyWest Airlines were order conversions of former ASA delivery slots and options. Add to that the transfer of ships 701, 702, 703, and 705, and you have one hell of a welcome to the SkyWest family.

That was an incredibly lucid, completely accurate, non-inflammatory post. How dare you post here sober!

 

[dogtown]

Whose fault is it that we start at the bottom?

Well let's be honest: Unions.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Sweptback - good post, Sir.

 

[DoinTime]

REAL AMERICANS HAVE THE BALLS TO SAY WHAT IS WRONG AND WANT IT FIXED

No real Americans don't sit around and wait for someone else to fix their problems. That would be the French. Real Americans identify their problems then bust their a** trying to fix them.

 

[Nightrain_080]

Ok, time for a little history lesson.

There was a time, we'll say that time was late 2004. Delta announced the closing of a base near and dear to many of us at ASA (DFW). As a result of this base closing, ASA had about 50 or so spare airplanes that they didn't have room for in ATL. The 200s were sent mainly to CVG to backfill the loss of the 328s, and the 700s were sent to SLC for some expansion as the hub grew.

At the time, the Delta scope clause limited the 70-seat flying to 58 aircraft between only ASA and Comair (there were actually 59 aircraft but that's another story for another time.) Delta wanted 70-seat RJs in SLC and by the Delta scope clause SkyWest could not fly these aircraft. That's where ASA came in, and is why we opened a SLC base.

Shortly thereafter, the Delta pilots signed a concessionary agreement that, among other things, lifted the 70-seat cap to 200 aircraft and allowed non-wholly-owned carriers (that's you, SkyWest) to fly them. SkyWest still had no 70-seat Delta flying at that time, but us at ASA knew our days were numbered out West.

Not long after that, SkyWest, Inc. purchased ASA from Delta. As a result of the purchase, SkyWest, Inc. took over ASA's remaining orders and options. The 5 CRJ 700s delivered to SkyWest Airlines came directly off of the ASA order book, and were undelivered aircraft from the 2003 DAL RFP (of which ASA was awarded 25 aircraft, and of that we only had 14 deliveries). Also, the CRJ 900 deliveries to SkyWest Airlines were order conversions of former ASA delivery slots and options. Add to that the transfer of ships 701, 702, 703, and 705, and you have one hell of a welcome to the SkyWest family.

Don't need a history lesson. My post was directed to asarjboy. Wishing doom and gloom to other airline pilots. The future is what we all should be concerned about.

 

[dkwid]

Well let's be honest: Unions.

Unions are their members. The intent of unionization is to bring together the employees and create a stronger 'unified' voice. In the process of unification, we, the employees, form groups of representatives made up of fellow employees who work together to negotiate with the company. Ultimately the entire work group has the oportunity to vote and democratically decide upon there futures. When we talk about failures of unions, we are truly talking about ourselves.

Unions have not done anything to us.....In many cases corporations represented by management have....but not the Unions. After all we are the 'unions' of pilots. If some pilots choose not to participate in the process....well lets be honost....that is their problem. If we all desire changes in our livelyhood and futures there truly is little to stop us except, lets be honost once again, the selfish pilots who only look after themselves and their prospoctive upgrade time etc.

 

[Wile]

Hey Sweptback,
As a former poor FO for ASA, I had flown with Nelson D for a few trips on OE. I am just curious if the 700 that bears his initials in the regisration, is still at ASA. If that airplane leaves, that will speak volumes about managment. As for ASA, I flew with many great guys, and a few tools. Just like every other place you work. Good luck on the contract, 4+ years is beyond ridiculous.

 

[samballs]

Hey, how is alpa helping comair?

Gave us 8,000,000.00 a couple of months back to keep us from getting wages as sh!tty as yours.

 

[Texx]

You came in and set up camp in one of our bases. Thats right SLC is a SkyWest domicile. Do you see a SkyWest base in ATL?

Was DFW not a Skywest base at one time?

 

[acarpe3448]

Maybe you should ask how the ASA pilots feel...they are getting 8 of the 12 planes!

I feel happy about it! Comair is all drama, unsafe, and a liability to Delta!