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But the employees will not be informed until the big wigs finish their second helpings of Black Eyed Peas and get back to work this week....

I expect a whole lot of status quo for ASA and Comair. As for ASA, we would have to get the training department spun back up and even though many of our IP's have left recently, none of the sim guys are being replaced yet.

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More Comair cutbacks coming?

Delta says decision made, but it won't say who got contracts
BY ALEXANDER COOLIDGE | [email protected]
While both Comair pilots and executives breathed a sigh of relief after a last-minute deal this week averted a strike, the Erlanger-based regional airline still faces potential fleet cutbacks at the hands of parent Delta Air Lines.
Delta said Friday that it already has made a decision on what carriers will do its regional flying in the future - though it refused to say whether Comair would lose more jets.
Comair officials have pushed hard to cut pilot and other pay to improve the airline's chances of retaining regional flying for Delta. In November, Delta said it would strip Comair of its 12 70-seat jets and let contractor SkyWest operate them next spring. Delta said the decision on the remaining 81 jets in play - some in Comair's fleet - would occur by the year-end.

Delta officials said the airline would wait for contractors to announce their new duties. Spokeswoman Gina Laughlin said that even if Comair and its pilots union cut a deal immediately to slash pay, that would not alter how Delta awarded the jets.
Comair and its pilots agreed to a last-minute truce Thursday, giving both sides until Feb. 2 to continue talks.
"While we continue to support Comair's efforts to restructure its business, the results of the (bidding) for new and existing regional jet flying are not impacted by the decision of Comair and its union to continue negotiating," Laughlin said.
"The decision to award flying was based on the bids submitted by each carrier this fall."
Comair is already seeing its fleet shrink to about 132 jets by spring, down from 168 this fall. Comair officials estimated that they could lose as many as 42 additional aircraft.
Comair, which employs 6,300, including 4,400 at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport, has declined to speculate on the potential impact on jobs. Each 70-seat aircraft employs 22 pilots and flight attendants, and every 50-seat aircraft employs 17, so an estimated 850 jobs could be threatened if Comair were to lose 42 jets.
Passengers will not be affected by shifts in aircraft, since routes once flown by Comair simply will be shifted to another carrier.
Comair officials declined to comment on Delta's process for reassigning regional flying. Instead, they said they were focused on negotiating a new deal with the pilots union.
"Regardless of the outcome of the ... process, Comair needs to complete its restructuring," spokeswoman Kate Marx said.
Friday before 140 union members' families, national Air Line Pilots Association president Duane Woerth chastised Delta for pushing Comair pilots for concessions.
"This is not post-9/11, it's six years later," Woerth told the families at the Holiday Inn Airport in Erlanger.
Delta projects a $1.2 billion profit by 2010, Woerth noted, yet the company is looking to strip "pilots of their pay."
 
In November, Delta said it would strip Comair of its 12 70-seat jets and let contractor SkyWest operate them next spring.
As much as I don't care for the cmr group, I think that sucks!
I wonder how the skyw pilots feel about this?

737
 
how should we feel about it? we are in competition with Comair, among others, to provide lift to DAL.
 
how should it work?
 
Hope you enjoy your career at Skywst!:rolleyes:

thank you, I will.

again I'll ask, when DAL (or anyone) goes to decide who to award or transition flying to, what should be the determining factors? how should it work?
 
thank you, I will.

again I'll ask, when DAL (or anyone) goes to decide who to award or transition flying to, what should be the determining factors? how should it work?

You are not worth talking too. Like I said before, as long as you get yours.
 
is that the best you can do?
 
As much as I don't care for the cmr group, I think that sucks!
I wonder how the skyw pilots feel about this?

737


Maybe you should ask how the ASA pilots feel...they are getting 8 of the 12 planes!
 
thank you, I will.

again I'll ask, when DAL (or anyone) goes to decide who to award or transition flying to, what should be the determining factors? how should it work?

Honoring the contracts that were thrown out so there would even be a RFP would have been nice...

Tact, get some.
 
He who came before you should keep his job. His job should not be subject to the lowest bid. Why dont you just put pilot jobs on Ebay.


So, you are against a Free enterprise? We should move back to regulation? I thought we lived in the U.S.A. Its a nasty world out there, but thats how it works. It's the same in every business. The strongest survive. Those who can do it for less, are the ones who get rich....What a strange concept.
 
As much as I don't care for the cmr group, I think that sucks!
I wonder how the skyw pilots feel about this?

737

As much as Skynation likes to flame, back up for a second...its ASA that is taking the first and biggest bite out of Comair's a$$.
 
As much as Skynation likes to flame, back up for a second...its ASA that is taking the first and biggest bite out of Comair's a$$.


I am glad that I am not flying the 70 seater! I know that I am NOT happy about it either!
 
So, you are against a Free enterprise? We should move back to regulation? I thought we lived in the U.S.A. Its a nasty world out there, but thats how it works. It's the same in every business. The strongest survive. Those who can do it for less, are the ones who get rich....What a strange concept.

It is alittle different in an industry where companies are not honering the contracts they sign, using BK as a weapon against labor, and the fact that this is the only industry that I know of that you cant take your level of pay from one company to the next. So this game of musical RJ's is ruining career progression and the ability to pay our bills as pilots. If I was an add exec. and my firm lost contracts to another lower bidding company, I could go and get a job with another add agency and negotiate equivilant or better pay for my expierience. We cannot do that, we start at the bottom.

I find it funny that those who have suffered at the hand of other pilots understand, but those that haven't say that it is just the way this bidness is. If FAGnation put in 23 months with skywest and then got fuloughed just before his golden upgrade because someother company underbid his flying job, he would have a different look at this situation.

But as long as you get YOUR upgrade who cares if others lose there ability to pay there bills and support there families. A$$.
 
I am glad that I am not flying the 70 seater! I know that I am NOT happy about it either!

But if you were in the 70 and one showed up on your schedule, you'd fly it. That's how MOST Skywest pilots feel about it. We're not happy about either!
 
ASA has lost a total of 28 airplanes to SkyWest since the purchase, for whoever is counting. We have Captains and FO's who have not been brought back up since they were displaced.

None of the CMR 70 seaters is on the property and in fact, none of the leases have been transferred. I smell management "threats" to scare pilots while CMR is on track for a $50,000,0000 profit.

While we know that ASA's airplanes are being flown by SkyWest, I will not believe ASA is operating CMR's jets until it is on our ramp, broke.

As for how ASA pilots feel about management whipsaw - we have passed resolutions to stop concessionary bargaining for jets and phantom pay rates for jets on our property. Not only do we not like it, but we seem to be about the only pilot group actually trying to do something about it.
 
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ASA has lost a total of 28 airplanes to SkyWest since the purchase, for whoever is counting. We have Captains and FO's who have not been brought back up since they were displaced.

None of the CMR 70 seaters is on the property and in fact, none of the leases have been transferred. I smell management "threats" to scare pilots while CMR is on track for a $50,000,0000 profit.

While we know that ASA's airplanes are being flown by SkyWest, I will not believe ASA is operating CMR's jets until it is on our ramp, broke.

As for how ASA pilots feel about management whipsaw - we have passed resolutions to stop concessionary bargaining for jets and phantom pay rates for jets on our property. Not only do we not like it, but we seem to be about the only pilot group actually trying to do something about it.

To follow your line of thinking, when your "resolutions" get approved into an actual contract, then I'll believe it.
 

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