Delta plans no follow-on aircraft order anytime soon

[General Lee]

I agree with flyer 1015 - We had nothing to do with the Delta flow through with mesaba. I think it sucks that only a select few were allowed, I also think it really sucks for the 109th guy who was the cut off point. 108 is such a stupid number. Back to my point - now that we are a merged company if there is a flow back then it not only effects mesaba, but also colgan and pinnacle now too. I had heard that our union approached Delta's union about a possible situation to eagles with american or a possible flow through but it was turned down.

You hadn't merged with Mesaba yet. So, you would just throw out all agreements made prior to your merger? That would be against the law. What if you had agreements with engine suppliers, or mx facilities? All of those should have been thrown out? Sorry!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Explosive]

Flow down Canceled

I agree with flyer 1015 - We had nothing to do with the Delta flow through with mesaba. I think it sucks that only a select few were allowed, I also think it really sucks for the 109th guy who was the cut off point. 108 is such a stupid number. Back to my point - now that we are a merged company if there is a flow back then it not only effects mesaba, but also colgan and pinnacle now too. I had heard that our union approached Delta's union about a possible situation to eagles with american or a possible flow through but it was turned down.

ALPA does not hire pilots. The flowthrough at Mesaba was worded very differently than Compass. The only reason it existed in the first place was because NWA purchased Mesaba. By doing so violated the NWA scope. MSA was to remain a "Category 2 Participating Feeder Carrier" in order to operate Avro replacements (CRJ900).

Once MSA was sold, it was once again a "Category 2 Participating Feeder Carrier" & thus the flowthrough agreement was vaporized. That's what was negotiated and was very clear to anyone who read it.

The flow up rights of 108 MSA pilots was protected. The flow down is gone. There will be no flow down of Delta Pilots to MSA or any other Pinnacle holdongs company.

 

[Sacha]

OYS,

This doesn't sound good for you. After you get furloughed, what are you going to do?

GODSPEED!!

 

[titans10]

ALPA does not hire pilots. The flowthrough at Mesaba was worded very differently than Compass. The only reason it existed in the first place was because NWA purchased Mesaba. By doing so violated the NWA scope. MSA was to remain a "Category 2 Participating Feeder Carrier" in order to operate Avro replacements (CRJ900).

Once MSA was sold, it was once again a "Category 2 Participating Feeder Carrier" & thus the flowthrough agreement was vaporized. That's what was negotiated and was very clear to anyone who read it.

The flow up rights of 108 MSA pilots was protected. The flow down is gone. There will be no flow down of Delta Pilots to MSA or any other Pinnacle holdongs company.

I don't think that last part is a true statement. I do believe the flow downs are limited to 108 only.

 

[Whataburger]

What's a "Feeder Carrier?"

 

[Freebrd]

What's a "Feeder Carrier?"

where Oys-Yo-Yo will seek employment when she gets furloughed :laugh:

 

[Full of LUV]

I am disgusted and amazed at the arrogance the Delta guys show their brothers at Compass and Mesaba and Pinnacle and.......

GODSPEED!!

ALPA Brotherhood, Delta style.....

Maybe they should look to the benevolent SWAPA treatment of their Airtran brothers for guidance? Defending high paying mainline jobs from people doing it for a third of the wage is not arrogance.

 

[redflyer65]

What's a "Feeder Carrier?"

Best post of the day. Well played Whataburger!

RF

 

[xjhawk]

I talked to a union rep and he said that the flow down at Mesaba is gone-never will happen. All you Nerds (Not-Not Ever Really Delta, but actual nerds from revenge of the nerds) on here who are bringing up the 108 pilots-that was a "gift" to our most senior pilots to keep our union leaders happy and to not fight for it anymore-thats my take anyway.

 

[On Your Six]

OYS,

This doesn't sound good for you. After you get furloughed, what are you going to do?

GODSPEED!!

Sasha,

Thanks to profits and huge retirement numbers, I doubt I would have to use that, but the Compass E175 flowdown is still in effect if needed. Those retirements alone will accelerate my career here upwards, while your future SLI will stunt yours, along with very few future retirements for you. You will be bored, dreaming of your Connie days at Eastern.



Godspeed!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

I talked to a union rep and he said that the flow down at Mesaba is gone-never will happen. All you Nerds (Not-Not Ever Really Delta, but actual nerds from revenge of the nerds) on here who are bringing up the 108 pilots-that was a "gift" to our most senior pilots to keep our union leaders happy and to not fight for it anymore-thats my take anyway.

Oh, too bad. The E175 is a nicer plane anyway, and my next plane hopefully will be the 757/767 on the next bid thanks to the 168 early out retirements that just happened. The next bid is next month.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

What's a "Feeder Carrier?"

SWA doesnt count as one, nobody is FED onboard! No food, get it? Hilarious!



Godspeed hungry dudes!


OYS

 

[GogglesPisano]

where Oys-Yo-Yo will seek employment when she gets furloughed :laugh:

He'll be a checkairman at Air Mekong. Study up, Buttercup.

 

[Whataburger]

Best post of the day. Well played Whataburger!

RF

Thanx. The low hanging fruit is always the easiest to pick.

 

[Whataburger]

Oh, too bad. The E175 is a nicer plane anyway, and my next plane hopefully will be the 757/767 on the next bid thanks to the 168 early out retirements that just happened. The next bid is next month.


Godspeed!


OYS

That's great news!! Good luck on the 757/767 award. I bet the international flying will be challenging, exciting, and there will be tons of time for culinary bliss. I certainly hope you have been there 12 years or more. At least you will get 6th year 737 SWA FO pay. BTW, I asked General Lee long ago what a DAL reserve pilot gets for min pay, what would that be?