Delta pilots return to 2000 pay rates

[Frank Lorenzo]

Oops. I guess not.

A whopping 18% pay raise over 4 years, then another 4-6 years negotiating in Section 6 for a real pay raise. JPWA basically a 10 year contract.

I haven't done the math to see when it happens, but by my calculations, the Delta pilots will actually surpass pilot pay at Air Tran! Wow!

Congratulations, and way to raise the bar for the rest of the pilot profession!

 

[General Lee]

Oops. I guess not.

A whopping 18% pay raise over 4 years, then another 4-6 years negotiating in Section 6 for a real pay raise. JPWA basically a 10 year contract.

I haven't done the math to see when it happens, but by my calculations, the Delta pilots will actually surpass pilot pay at Air Tran! Wow!

Congratulations, and way to raise the bar for the rest of the pilot profession!

Talk about flamebait. Were we ever going to do it all in ONE LARGE JUMP? Nope. You are an idiot Frank. And I love the part about 4-6 years of negotiating after that. Yeah, right. We actually have a provision that states Mediation WILL start 90 days after our ammendable date if a new contract isn't reached by then. Not bad, and it kinda gets the ball rolling if nothing else. But hey, keep dreaming Frank, and I am glad you thought we were going to get it all back at once, in this environment......

You are awesome Frank, NOT.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GogglesPisano]

Oops. I guess not.

A whopping 18% pay raise over 4 years, then another 4-6 years negotiating in Section 6 for a real pay raise. JPWA basically a 10 year contract.

Name another pilot group getting a raise.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Name another pilot group getting a raise.

JBLU ....

 

[cessnapilot]

We actually have a provision that states Mediation WILL start 90 days after our ammendable date if a new contract isn't reached by then.


Bye Bye--General Lee

that and $4 and you can get a coffee at Starbucks

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

Talk about flamebait. Were we ever going to do it all in ONE LARGE JUMP?

Isn't that what the pilots of AA are trying for? What about UAL? Why are they applying so much pressure at UAL? You think they are trying for a piddly raise like yours? How about CAL?

Why is your strategy of accepting Air Tran pay rates for 10 years superior to those that want to raise pay rates NOW approximately 50%?

We actually have a provision that states Mediation WILL start 90 days after our ammendable date if a new contract isn't reached by then. Not bad, and it kinda gets the ball rolling if nothing else.

A mediator means nothing. Until the mediator releases you you have NOTHING. The mediator could release you in a few months, or a few YEARS.

The only other option is wildcatting, and that didn't work out too well for you last time, did it?

I am glad you thought we were going to get it all back at once, in this environment......

What "environment?" In case you missed it, oil is falling faster than it went up. Your timing is impeccable. Ram through a concessionary contract during a recovery to set a stage for the pilots working for sub-par wages during a sustained economic boom.

Besides, YOU are the one always popping off on here how wonderful your management team is, and how they can make all sorts of money. Why is it that your managerial "dream team" can't afford to pay Delta pilots any more than the Valu Jet pilots?

I guess it doesn't matter anymore. You are now stuck with your dream contract. All of the other pilots will get a chance to enjoy it as well. I am sure they are looking forward to their management teams presenting your pathetic pay rates to a mediator as "industry standard."

Way to go!

 

[GogglesPisano]

JBLU ....

Did everyone on the property got a cross-the-board raise? Or did some at the expense of others?

 

[McNugget]

Oops. I guess not.

A whopping 18% pay raise over 4 years, then another 4-6 years negotiating in Section 6 for a real pay raise. JPWA basically a 10 year contract.

I haven't done the math to see when it happens, but by my calculations, the Delta pilots will actually surpass pilot pay at Air Tran! Wow!

Congratulations, and way to raise the bar for the rest of the pilot profession!

Congratulations, Delta! Way to raise the bar. Now, if only the rest of you scumbag legacy pilots could do the same.

 

[AAflyer]

Dear Frank,

Probably a management slip, however when one requests the pay that was taken away from him/or her and then asks to merely have the "government" cost of living adjustment attached to it, how does it become a raise.

I lost 30% of my pay in 2003. If I gain 30% today is it really a raise, or just a return to what I would have had to begin with.

Yours Truly,

AAflyer

 

[Headfake14]

any mgt team would be STUPID to give back pay rates in one massive jump. Of course we all want it back...Hell yea. AA and UAL are still on loose ground. Delta isn't out of the woods, but at least making headway. The important part is big D achieved some fwd progress.

as far as big Blue...not all seats at all longevities recieved a raise...some guys got ZERO while all E190 captains got a much needed 10% bump. Lots of other changes in between...some good, some bad.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Did everyone on the property got a cross-the-board raise? Or did some at the expense of others?

All seats and years except for first year(all seats) and A320 Captain years 8-12.

 

[EMBpilot]

It's good to see the pay raises (and no furghlous yet) these days.

It's good to see no individual contracts too.

It would have been better to see a 50% or 70% pay raise starting tomorrow, but hey may be some other super airline will raise the bar?

 

[magrs]

AA,

How are the APA negotiations going?

Curious if it looks like you guys will get anywhere close to the 30.5%?

Best of luck, it would be a great thing to see!

 

[jumppilot]

I like Frank's posts.

Might be from a disgruntled pilot or maybe a guy trying to come at it from the mind of Lorenzo, but either way, funny!

 

[fareview]

Oops. I guess not.

A whopping 18% pay raise over 4 years, then another 4-6 years negotiating in Section 6 for a real pay raise. JPWA basically a 10 year contract.

I haven't done the math to see when it happens, but by my calculations, the Delta pilots will actually surpass pilot pay at Air Tran! Wow!

Congratulations, and way to raise the bar for the rest of the pilot profession!

What an assinine post.

What the DAL pilots have done ( and I am not one of them) is adjust to the market...and in so doing have arguably put themselves and their company in one of the stronger positions.

As to the old 'raising the bar' crap...tell me you are joking...this is 2008 Sherlock...you survive to protect your employment in unchartered waters...and then as the market hopefully improves...the DAL pilot group will adjust as they have successfully done to this point.

Run along little man...time for you to get an education.

fv

 

[MINIME]

Frank's posts usually rock. But I have to sort of take exception with the notion that Delta guys aren't making "real" advances.

In this environment, argueably the most trying in history, they've managed to secure atleast some gains. Everyone else appears to be stuck at furlough and concession talk. While the gains may not be what everyone would like to see, they are gains from the present nonetheless.

 

[Dogwood]

Did everyone on the property got a cross-the-board raise? Or did some at the expense of others?

Our "pay raise" was mostly robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

[StarChecker]

All seats and years except for first year(all seats) and A320 Captain years 8-12.

WRONG.


A320 F/O's years 1-3 got nothing. Except losing premium pay for sick calls.

Thanks for all you do.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

I like Frank's posts.

Might be from a disgruntled pilot or maybe a guy trying to come at it from the mind of Lorenzo, but either way, funny!

Hey man, I'm the real deal. It should be clear to everyone that I left myself signed in at a public computer. I would never encourage the pilots to go after the "big money" that the Delta pilots did. To the contrary...

I have to give credit where credit is due. The Delta pilots realize how overpaid they actually were 8 years ago and know that those goals are "unrealistic in todays environment." Knowing that you will be at the recieving end of a lot of pointing an laughing from fellow pilots, it takes a lot of guts to sign a lame ass contract like they just did. These are pilots that "get it."

I see that there are a lot of other pilots on this board that also get some important points that management pilots like myself like to hammer home whenever we can.

1. If the pilots get too much money, it will bankrupt the airline.

2. It is the pilots job to manage the airline. If the pilots demand a large pay raise, then they should figure out how to pay for it.

3. Pilots getting a large pay raise will be "stealing" from other work groups.

4. Pilots should give concessions to subsidize the airline and provide a "buffer" from bankruptcy.

5. Any large pilot pay raise will make your airline "uncompetitive" and the lower paid airlines will drive your company into bankruptcy.

Please feel free to print out the above talking points and share them with your fellow pilots. I know a lot of you are already, and I thank you for that. Whenever I see some pilot justifying a weak-dicked pay raise on this board due to things like "the oil bubble", it brings a tear of joy to my eye.

I wish I could stay and chat for a while, but a meeting was called yesterday for us airline big-wigs. Apparently, the other CEO's are running out of excuses on what to scare the pilots with when the "oil scare" fiasco goes away. This shouldn't be a long meeting, as the pilots seem to bite off on anything to talk themselves out of asking for any respectable pay increase.

Thanks again Deltoids!

Frank - the superfreak of corporate raiders

 

[Superpilot92]

Gotta love the haters